NonovUrbizniz (DayZ)

Bunch of posts on this but I'd love to see someone come in with a clear concise answer... check these threads: http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/114661-difference-between-dayztavianacom-and-tavianadayzlandeu/ http://opendayz.net/index.php?threads/taviana-now-supported-in-dayz-commander.6641/ From what I can gather .com was supposed to pick up the slack that .eu had left, but the .eu stepped up the game hard, .eu seems to be the version to run but frankly I'm not sure. The vehicle spawning is definately not working correctly in .eu, lots of allowed vehicles are not spawning for me. I haven't had time to investigate it though. Go to the changelogs for both and compare which I think is suggested in one of the threads I linked... .eu has LOTS of cool features... Grave stones instead of deadbodies Grave stones can be destroyed Zombies only fall to head shots Zombies spawn and can damage vehicles Once windows are busted players in vehicles take damage from Zombies I like it a LOT it's the first map that's made me want to leave Chernarus.

Dayz.st has a map feature where you can watch players, not sure if that's active if it's a public hive or not. You could use a log parser to do the same thing live though if you have FTP access and the expertise to write it... or like mentioned above you can simply run "hacks" as the admin in order to see whats going on. Frankly I see nothing wrong with it if there isn't abuse, but if there is then it's a HUGE problem and should be dealt with VERY seriously IMO. The truth is though even as an admin of 2 servers I'm powerless up against and in comparison to hackers on my own servers. I was on a server the other night where the admin got locked out of his own game becuase the hacker banned him lol... short of shutting down or restarting the server you are not very powerful as an admin. Even on the private hive DayZ.st Taviana server I run, I can only spawn repaired vehicles if I restart, and I can only change my loadout if I diconnect and reconnect, hackers can spawn choppers that aren't even allowed in game LIVE while the server is up and can give themselves god mode or assasinate people etc etc. I can't do any of that. I can ban people kick people adjust their load out if they log of and log back in, or spawn repaired vehicles if I'm willing to do a restart right then and there.... other than that not much, shit I can't even get some vehicles that are SUPPOSED to work to work on my map right now... I'm noobish though so I'm sure there are a LOT more experienced people that I'd love to hear chime in.

I'm in love with DayZ.st if they got FTP it would be the most perfect host imaginable. So easy to use and administrate. I'm 100pct for sure migrating my Gameservers.com Chernarus Server over to Dayz.st MUCH better. even w/o FTP access although I'd like to know better how the ban lists work with that because I'm in the FTP 2 times a day reviewing logs and adding bans and that would be a PITA using Rcon... It already sucks but... I jokingly banned a friend the other night and it took like 10 minutes to figure out how to undo it lol.

I believe dayz.st is working on FTP access, but they do give you full DB access and ability to download and edit the mission file so that's pretty wide open. The ability to quickly change perm daylight timezone, private/public, maps, vehicles etc etc etc... I'm only 2 days in on DayZ.st and I'm already thinking about migrating my Gameservers.com one over... I might try another host first before I settle in but DayZ.st is GREAAAAT so far. LOVE IT.

So I'm the mod I witnessed the hack, dumbass actually used his screenname in the hack video in the GPS window. SniperOfGod - 91.65.235.205 - c2c84f650dee6d9a276723f34ebbae04 Just prior got two dicks spawning heli's and popping all over the map: Kain - 98.93.171.202 -1b6244e9bb7f18b6734eb7a390e2e875 Fire Breath - 99.12.84.209 - 2c8a282a3ad8a3fd53627734cf5e402b Sick of hackers, although I've started a new server with DayZ.st which does rollbacks so I might switch both servers over to them... seems safer.

Lol thank you they have one less in the Washington DC area now lol... Cifor Washingtomb DZ custom load out private hive Namalsk So far have to say just from setting up the server it's a FANTASTIC host... interface STOMPS on gameservers.com which is pretty bare bones.

I've seen the Shot entry show up TONS of times then hardly at all, I think there are multiple events that trigger it... sure would be nice if there was a freaking explanation of the logs somewhere.

Oh and for the record dayz.st is sold out on every server location except Singapore.... so any other suggestions?

You seem to be the one throwing around aggression and trying to shoot down any opposition to Dayz.st... A host where you have NO FTP access and as stated above has multiple hour outages that won't be handled because it's ONE GUY who might be sleeping... WTF? AND to top it off has a tendancy to get DDOS'd often??? Thanks I'll explore all the options anyone posts... Vert looks perfectly professional especially in their handling of your childish attack. To the OP. I have been running a gameservers.com server for several months and it has FTP access which is good and allowed me to be one of the first to update the server when they were posting the updated files, AND they are pretty proactive with their support... However there is no PHP or SQL access and while they ALLOW hosting of Private Hive's and alternate maps they only SUPPORT vanilla DayZ which IMO excludes them for hive hosting. I'm going to be trying out one after the other for the next few months, I want to start a Namalsk server in addition to our vanilla DayZ which is hosted VERY well by Gameservers.com I will prob. try DayZ.st first seeing as it has had so many supporters, but Vert looks just as promising IMO I'd like to hear from more people with experience.

Why wouldn't you just rent a server? it's 30 dollars for the month... I would guess your server won't handle the game and your connection will suck. Most servers are running top notch equipment with SSD drives and gobs of ram with crazy good connections and THEY get laggy when they're full... Arma2 in generally beats up servers. From what little I understand without regular restarts even the best server will get laggy if it's high population all the time... that (and loot respawning) is why lots of the high pop servers restart ever 3 hrs. Only way to answer your question is to put it up and run it, although getting a lot of players on it also isn't easy, I've been running a gameservers.com server for 3 months and this holiday week is the first time I've seen over 20 players EVER. Usually it's like 3-10 at most.

I'm no expert but I was on Namalsk last night and two guys teleported to me and dumped winter clothes and a ton of other impossible to find stuff at my feet then disappeared again so... I'd say there are def. public hacks out there. The day before that I found 40 or so tents next to a Ammo Crate on the west side of my map... and I have to Legit find things since I run a vanilla DayZ public server, I don't even have any clue what else is on there and where it is. My big problem is there is NO good how to anywhere that I can see. I have next to no idea what I'm doing because there are no places that explain it except hacking sites which I don't want to go on or use since when I DID get frustrated enough to investigate that end of it I lost 2 keys in a row in less than a week. Yet I get the same average number of cheaters on my server every week, week in week out, I would absolutely love for you to PM me any resources or advice to help me as a mod, I'm getting ready to dump my public DayZ server because I think a Hive will offer me more control. The last 2 days of play have actually been inspiring for me though, as far as I can tell no one has teleported any vehicles the helo's that got fixed look like it was done legit... I REALLY want to keep my server up because I love the core game SOOOO much... but the powerlessness of being a legit player in it makes you want to give up all together. If you could PM me with info I'd really appreciate it.

Such as??? Don't defend it and then provide no links or evidence, I'm with the OP BE sucks balls, Dayz Mod staff sucks balls at dealing with any of this and there is no order to this whole community what so ever... I run a server and am flabbergasted that I have somehow managed to have 3 keys Global Banned while trying to figure out WTF the hackers are doing because they NEVER get caught, logged, or banned by BE on my server... I've seen MAYBE 10-20pct of cheaters get BE Banned... ALL the rest only get banned because I'm on playing so much I witness hacking... even then I still end up stumbling across hacked stuff ALL THE TIME and there is NO RECORD of it ANYWHERE in the BE logs... I at one point was logging in and not playing just monitoring players, and like 3 were showing up on my monitoring program that were not even showing up in the player list on BERCon... WTF? I FINALLY found the guy in ONE log and he only had one entry despite having logged on and off numerous times and spawning CRAP LOADS of stuff. I for one won't even consider dealing with the standalone if they can't manage to get their shit together here first... Releasing the stand alone in Alpha yet use alpha as the constant excuse for every flaw in this game... It's funny too because I used to be surprised when people said they got played out on DayZ due to all the hackers and bugs, but sure enough I'm just getting sick of it... If I were bohemia I'd dump the standalone as a nearterm project, and develop the crap out of the mod so its DLC like PMC or BAF then they keep raking in the dough on a 3 yo game AND keep the community happy. I feel TOTALLY powerless as an admin yet there are hackers running around with impunity and laughing about it... WTF is that... I mean I can't even go into spectator mode to see wtf people are doing... you don't even have to be a moderator in most games to do that... WTF.

So i normally don't even bother because most people aren't flagrant with their hacking/cheating... This guy and his buddy not so much... I go to check on my server and am away from home. Friend is logged on and informs me the two heli's we were near were gone... he'd already ran across one burning and then hit the airfield where lots of vehicles had been teleported... I log in and there's a guy right near where our heli's were and he's going through some tents, I empty an entire dmr mag into him and he just looks at me at which point I abort and ban him from the admin panel... got to check logs and sure enough he spawned sooo much crap I can't even explain it... here are some snippets of him and his buddy... 24.12.2012 12:52:18: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 12:52:18: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 12:52:18: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.18347, 20094.3]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 12:52:18: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.18347, 20094.3]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 12:52:18: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.18347, 20094.3,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 12:52:18: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.18347, 20094.3,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:10:34: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:10:34: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:10:36: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.30293, 21180]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:10:36: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.30293, 21180]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:10:42: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.30293, 21180,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:10:42: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.30293, 21180,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:23:51: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:23:51: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:23:51: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 9.49906, 21952.8]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:23:51: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 9.49906, 21952.8]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:23:55: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 9.49906, 21952.8,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:23:55: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 9.49906, 21952.8,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:28:23: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:28:23: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:28:28: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #38 "[this, 8.01475, 21828.6]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:28:28: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #49 "[this, 8.01475, 21828.6]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:28:38: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #38 "[this, 8.01475, 21828.6,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:28:38: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #49 "[this, 8.01475, 21828.6,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:28:40: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:28:40: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:28:43: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.90224, 22240.8]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:28:43: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.90224, 22240.8]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:28:45: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.90224, 22240.8,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:28:45: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.90224, 22240.8,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:31:56: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:31:56: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:32:02: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #38 "[this, 9.8069, 22009.5]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:32:02: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #49 "[this, 9.8069, 22009.5]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:32:11: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #38 "[this, 9.8069, 22009.5,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:32:11: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #49 "[this, 9.8069, 22009.5,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:40:26: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:40:26: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:40:30: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.41964, 22936.7]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:40:30: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.41964, 22936.7]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:40:35: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 8.41964, 22936.7,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:40:35: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 8.41964, 22936.7,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:57:29: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:57:29: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 13:57:29: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 7.90149, 23943.8]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:57:29: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 7.90149, 23943.8]spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestructionStage2" 24.12.2012 13:57:30: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #38 "[this, 7.90149, 23943.8,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 13:57:30: CornThatLefty (71.22.147.206:2304) e1051533306044efd018d25d3ec2cf59 - #49 "[this, 7.90149, 23943.8,false,true]spawn BIS_Effects_Burn" 24.12.2012 14:03:26: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #38 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" 24.12.2012 14:03:26: iasclanman (68.96.203.121:2304) 24ec754418c1a22a84e387e26bff271e - #49 "[this] spawn BIS_Effects_AirDestruction" this is one portion of one log the two of them have 20+ entries in every log I run.

Gimmie gimmie pretty please, I am going nuts running my public server, Thunderdome buildings etc etc... Why is there no sticky on this??? or even a thread that links to the correct official file/method? I don't exactly feel comfortable uploading a non official file to my official public hive.

I can confirm that Gameservers is pointing back to these threads saying "public hive is down nothing we can do" lol.

I don't get no fancy message, just get kicked from the game, I can join private's but no publics.

Re-read some of the details, if you're not maxing out either your GPU or your CPU then it's def. your HD bottlenecking... Or memory but I doubt that... My cpu sucks so bad I can't get 60fps anywhere lol... like I said it's maxed out while the GPU is basically idling... I did rerun the GPUz thing while I was playing in eyefinity and it does max out the card.... but this is at full settings etc. still getting like 25-30fps. I'll run it real quick in 1 monitor and see what it looks like but the CPU just won't keep up with the game.

Wish I could help you just not sure, if you log onto my server I can reference my logs and see if I can figure out what's going on, but it sounds like you got hacked or something. In that case you need someone with more knowledge than I have to help you out.

Go to Tomshardware and build one of their gaming PC's pick a budget... they're doing them right now I think... if not they did them like 3 months ago... 500 800 1200 unlimited I think... Pick a budget and go it will play anything they say it will lol. for Day Z you really only need a video card and again Toms will tell you which one and there are no different kinds anymore, if it's PCIx16 and you only have x4 it will just step down. A good tip for knowing what goes with what is just going to the website for your mother board, they all have tested and confirmed parts listed there.

No, lol use "Play with Six" it's better... I have no idea how to use any of the others because I used them and they sucked, Six Launcher requires you install Six Updater which is huge and complicated... Play with Six is as simple as could be and does EVERYTHING you need without all the mess... Download it you will thank me.

Your user file is likely corrupted then. An uninstall and reinstall will likely fix it.

I have an Athlon dual core 2.5 Ghz proc. 6gb of 800mhz ram a HD7770 video card with 1gb of ram and it's on a Samsung 860 128gb SSD... I play with full settings in 3 monitor eyefinity at 5760*1080 with teampseak BERCon and Fraps running in the background and have steady 30fps... dips a bit but not too bad, when I fraps I lock recording at 30fps and in game is STILL at like 18-25fps which is playable but not exactly ideal... The CPU is the ONLY component that's maxed out... I NEVER use more than 4gb of ram, the GPU is almost never maxed out or even has the fan on full blast for very long and I play for HOURS.... I think even with a quad core 3.0 ghz Phenom I'd be unbottlenecked... But it's such a little bottleneck I don't even feel like throwing 100 bucks at it to see... If you want to play Arma3 or the Standalone you MIGHT need to upgrade but IMO your computer is fine with JUST an upgraded GPU (100-150 bucks will do fine) and will ROCK with SSD main drive/game drive.

You guys are all nuts. The CPU's are fine with ONE much less 2... I have a AMD Athlon Dual Core 2.5 single processor and 6gb of ram and a HD7700 video card and the ONLY bottleneck I have is the CPU and I STILL run at 5760*1080 3 23" monitors eyefinity setup with ALL the settings maxed out and get 30fps steady... the ONLY thing that is maxed out while I play is the CPU, Ram NEVER EVER goes over 4gb and GPU is usually at a stead 50-90pct... The GPU you're using blows and is SUPER old... get a 100 dollar video card and you'll be set to play maxed out... Hell I run BERcon, Fraps, AND Teamspeak while I"m playing with all three monitors on a CPU that's WAY WAY older and it does fine 90pct of the time. If you're concerned about the stand alone or Arma3 THEN you need to start thinking about a whole system upgrade. Your CPUs 4GB ram (20 bucks) New GPU (100 bucks) and you'll be CRUSHING the game in full settings on one monitor.

Ok I'm going to try to shed as much light as I can from what I know but I certainly don't know it all. 1. Private hive's will spawn you with different load outs when you FIRST log in, there after you should log into that hive with whatever equip you have accumulated and where you last logged out. 2. Anti Hack Servers - Some servers run scripts that wipe your inventory if it sees a hacked item, some fresh spawn you at the coast with NOTHING like no backpack no bandages NOTHING 3. If you delete you local user files (NEVER do this there is NO reason to) you can lose Hive character data, although your MAIN PUBLIC character SHOULD still be saved on various servers you've recently logged into (not sure how long but within a week for sure maybe even a month (I think it depends on how often the admins wipe the Hive Log but I'm not even sure) 4. The game is buggy and can just do this sometimes unfortunately it can be persistant too so you have to remove everything and reinstall and start again to be safe if it persists for several days... 5. There are likely ways to work around this but without more knowledge or searching I don't know what they are (there is likely a .pbo file locally that you can delete and replace or outright delete and the game or server will recreate it rectifying whatever problem you have) however I have NO idea which file etc etc. When admins get hacked items that persist they have to back up one of the .pbo files upload a "clean" copy of it, log in and play then re-upload the backed up copy and that removes spawned items like shipwrecks and thunderdome's... Good luck problems like this suck.

You have a banned item in your inventory. 104 on my server is "timebomb" so not sure if that's what you have or not.... the numbers and lists can be different server to server, I use a VERY common file so it might be that. Lame stuff like this can happen when you get hacked and someone puts crap on your person... is there ANY period of consciousness? If you want you can try logging into my server (cifor ny/nj) and tell me what happens, I can determine what you have that's getting you kicked, and then possibly come to your location and pull it from your inventory... Let me know your coordinates and what kick you get on my server and I'll see what I can do, it might be a day or two I don't currently have a chopper and the loot spawns suck balls now so it takes forever to get the glass and scrap needed... F'ing had to shoot down my own helo last night as I logged in and some asshat was taking off in it.