Thermal and night vision should be removed

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

Since night is now not always complete darkness, NV and therma lshould be removed, unless you could implement a battery system to heavily decrease their use.

The conservative use of light sources to balance how well you can see with how well you can be seen is one of the most thrilling parts of the game, and thermal makes bandit trollsniping (although trollsniping in general should be okay) WAAAAY to easy, bandits already have opimum positioning, better weapons, and the element of surprise, you do not need X-Ray vision (essentially). There is nothing challenging about being able to snipe people hidden behind 8 pine trees worth of brush with relative ease becasue they light up bright white, learn to snipe and manhunt, stop using your X-Ray vision like a noob.

As far as Thermal is concerned as well, when was the last time you heard of anyone in any survival/zombie apocalypse scenario/movie/game/book/TV Show having thermal vision? It's just to high tech and a luxury to fit into Dayz, you might as well give us UAV recon sweeps for goodness sake!

In the end, Dayz would be more challenging, require more planning/skill, and be more fullfilling an experience if night time unavoidably came with dilemma of managing flare/flashlight/glowstick usage and people didn't have what is essentially X-ray vision.

P.S. Don't claim "Oh you just hating on Thermal because you constantly get killed by it you noob!". No, I have used the L85 thermal and felt I was overpowered, and my clanmate who was using it once escorted me around both airfields and Berezino, we encountered many players, and steamrolled them all with minimal effort and skill because he just scanned with his Xray scope and no one had a chance, I felt dirty.

Edited October 3, 2012 by FrankDaTank1218

[IndyAM 48]

Boo-freakin-hoo. this has been covered a million times already. It hasn't been removed yet, doesn't that tell you something? It's being tested. I, personally, don't mind thermal & Night vis, as when you get close enough to someone they can't aim properly (if you're on a server with no crosshairs) rendering their gun useless.

It's all about the element of suprise!

[icetal0n 4]

Disagree.

[mibz0r 141]

F^&k off already with this shit.

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

Boo-freakin-hoo. this has been covered a million times already. It hasn't been removed yet, doesn't that tell you something? It's being tested. I, personally, don't mind thermal & Night vis, as when you get close enough to someone they can't aim properly (if you're on a server with no crosshairs) rendering their gun useless.

It's all about the element of suprise!

How do you get the element of surprise if someone can see you through any concealment with ease? You cannot. Anywhere covered by a thermal sniper is a lost cause, you can easily lock out any airfield with thermal.

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

F^&k off already with this shit.

Such reasonable response to difference in opinion on this site :rolleyes:

If you can't effectively fight without X-ray vision, get better, don't take the frustration out on me.

[IndyAM 48]

Go behind them, it's the easiest thing in the world to do on Sniper hill, and the Airfield if you approach it right. Or use flares to blind them.

[Gooober 34]

Get rid of night vision = remove night time on servers

More or Less... Disagree.... Even though thermal is alittle unfair... Might be a reason i was so happy when i found the L85 :)

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

Go behind them, it's the easiest thing in the world to do on Sniper hill, and the Airfield if you approach it right. Or use flares to blind them.

What? Everyone I play with that uses thermal always quickly picks up one tactic, do 360-degree scans often because even a quick spin can allow you to see anything and quickly react to any "white areas". Against normal snipers, yes, you get behind them, this doesn't work against any halfway decent thermal sniper.

Edited October 3, 2012 by FrankDaTank1218

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

Get rid of night vision = remove night time on servers

More or Less... Disagree.... Even though thermal is alittle unfair... Might be a reason i was so happy when i found the L85 :)

So:

You don't realize there are other ways to operate at night without nightvision, even if nightvision was removed so others couldn't use it against you.

You admitted you like to play unfair.

You seem like someone who's input is valuable, as a counterexample of course.

Edited October 3, 2012 by FrankDaTank1218

[-Se7eN- 874]

Its an opinion that has had alot of contrivercy

Boo-freakin-hoo. this has been covered a million times already. It hasn't been removed yet, doesn't that tell you something?

it has been removed before, the L85 was removed in an old update as a test.

i think they should stay in the game, just keep them nice and rare, and they are nice and rare, the only reason there currently inflation of L85 and NVG's is becuase of hacking and Duping, once that is removed (the stand alone) it will become balanced again, you wont want to take your l85 out in fear of loosing it,

overall it should stay but its removal has been concidered, the standalone will straighten it all out :)

Happy Gaming <3

[pieflavor 38]

yet another thread in which OP responds to anyone disagreeing with him by calling them names...

and thus there is no need to provide any counterargument

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

yet another thread in which OP responds to anyone disagreeing with him by calling them names...

and thus there is no need to provide any counterargument

Really? I am told "f*ck off already" or told very obvious advice in a condescending manner "try going BEHIND da sniper bro" and react accordingly, yet I'M the bad guy, nice, several people in this thread have reacted accordingly, but alot of people on this site respond to statements they disagree with like asshats. I did respond to valid counterarguments, selective reading much?

Edited October 3, 2012 by FrankDaTank1218

[pieflavor 38]

Really? I am told "f*ck off already" or told very obvious advice in a condescending manner "try going BEHIND da sniper bro" and react accordingly, yet I'M the bad guy, nice, several people in this thread have reacted accordingly, but alot of people on this site respond to statements they disagree with like asshats. I did respond to valid counterarguments, selective reading much?

there are no counterarguments to respond to, because this horse has been beaten to death, and the arguments you provide are not arguments, they are opinions, and opinions cannot be discussed, coupled with the fact nobody wants to discuss it, and you reacting negatively to those telling you this makes you look like an asshat to everybody around here

Edited October 3, 2012 by Pie Flavor

[mibz0r 141]

Wasn't completely aimed at you, use the search function and you''ll see why I'm sick of seeing threads such as this, CBA reasoning with someone who can't use search and see the already burgeoning selection of arguments for and against this, that is why I said what I said.

[irishcavemen@yahoo.ie 65]

DUDE PLAY A PRIVATE FRICKEN HIVE THAN..

Survival ops hard corps mod has everything your asking for , NVGS are out and so are Thermals and as50's and m107's

[IndyAM 48]

Really? I am told "f*ck off already" or told very obvious advice in a condescending manner "try going BEHIND da sniper bro" and react accordingly, yet I'M the bad guy, nice, several people in this thread have reacted accordingly, but alot of people on this site respond to statements they disagree with like asshats. I did respond to valid counterarguments, selective reading much?

try going behind the sniper is a serious fucking strategy! Flank them, they can only use what they can see down the scope at one time. Either that or blinding them with flares. Either works.

Now stop crying about it and start learning to play stealthily so you can actually sneak up on snipers.

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

there are no counterarguments to respond to, because this horse has been beaten to death, and the arguments you provide are not arguments, they are opinions, and opinions cannot be discussed, coupled with the fact nobody wants to discuss it, and you reacting negatively to those telling you this makes you look like an asshat to everybody around here

Okay, so your reasoning is: Stuff I disagree with = meaningless opinion

Stating that flanking thermals is ineffective due to a common tactic is not an opinion.

Stating that night time can be dealt with without nightvision is not an opinion.

Stating that thermal makes bandit sniping very easy and uncounterable is not an opinion, that's a proper tactical assessment.

My quote: "In the end, Dayz would be more challenging, require more planning/skill, and be more fullfilling an experience if night time unavoidably came with dilemma of managing flare/flashlight/glowstick usage and people didn't have what is essentially X-ray vision." Other than the bolded part that is not an opinion.

Edited October 3, 2012 by FrankDaTank1218

[FrankDaTank1218 (DayZ) 41]

try going behind the sniper is a serious fucking strategy! Flank them, they can only use what they can see down the scope at one time. Either that or blinding them with flares. Either works.

Now stop crying about it and start learning to play stealthily so you can actually sneak up on snipers.

Very few people seem to understand this, a criticism doesn't automatically equal crying. If I am stating that it is OP even WHEN I'M USING AND DOING WELL BECAUSE OF IT, Its hardly "boo hoo I suck against thermals".

You don't agree, but you can't present any reason to counter my argument, so you resort to an attempt to tease me by calling me a crybaby.

For those giving reasonable replys, keep on if you wish, to pricks like you, shut up.

Edited October 3, 2012 by FrankDaTank1218

[mibz0r 141]

My quote: "In the end, Dayz would be more challenging, require more planning/skill, and be more fullfilling an experience if night time unavoidably came with dilemma of managing flare/flashlight/glowstick usage and people didn't have what is essentially X-ray vision." Other than the bolded part that is not an opinion.

I agree to some extent but there is also the point that some of us want to enjoy the game and I don't see it being "more fulfilling" at all there has to be a point where fun is kept in the game or it isn't really a game anymore now is it??

[mibz0r 141]

You don't agree, but you can't present any reason to counter my argument, so you resort to an attempt to tease me by calling me a crybaby.

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Because we are all sick of seeing this argument pop up every few hours, USE SEARCH next time and you might not get chewed out for starting a thread like this.

[martin_hjerpe@hotmail.com 22]

The internet is a sad place unfortunately, If people disagree they will call you an idiot and what not... discussions are not possible. anyways...

Imagine if thermal vision, night vision and gamma hack didn't exist in this game, if everyone had to use flashlights, flares and what not every now and then, sounds like a more fun experience to me. But Dayz is pretty fun either way.

[Dunkaroos 12]

Step 1) Get rid of thermal (there's no reason this should be in the game)

Step 2) Put batteries on Night Vision (15-30 min use of NV)

step3) profit

[mibz0r 141]

Step 1) Get rid of thermal (there's no reason this should be in the game)

Step 2) Put batteries on Night Vision (15-30 min use of NV)

step3) profit

Now that I can agree with, Thermal is a bit OP and should be mega, mega rare or gone but NV should stay with limits set upon it.

[Allyourbase51 38]

OP, quit wanking and go play DayZ DIAF. There's no "overpowered" stuff there.