Vehicles should be tougher to total.

[hatfieldcw 184]

When I find a vehicle, all its parts are in the red and it needs a lot of work to get it running. I often replace the fuel tank, the engine, and most or all of the wheels, plus some scrap metal to strap onto the frame to hold the whole thing together. It's in bad shape, is what I'm saying, but it can be salvaged. Then, a couple km down the road, some jerk puts three 12.7mm bullets or a half-magazine of 5.45 AK ammo through it and it's a flaming hulk, totally unsalvageable. What the actual fuck?

It should be possible to disable vehicles by shooting them, absolutely. It should also be possible to repair vehicles that have been disabled by gunfire. This GTA kablooie vehicle health needs to go. Finding cars at their spawns and being able to fix them is great. Finding shot-up cars by the side of the road and being able to fix them up would also be great.

Just boost the "hull" by about 1000%. Shooting at a car would disable it in the normal amount of time/shots, then you'd see the passengers pile out and the fight would be resolved in the normal way. At that time, the car would still be enterable, the car's inventory would still be accessible, and the car could still be patched up as usual. Maybe it takes some more scrap metal to get the hull back up to 100%, but it doesn't magically transform into a flaming wreck that's no good to anybody.

This would reduce the number of cars at regular spawns, but having a car that's in the red in one or more categories respawn in its default derelict state after just two days, regardless of saving, could get around that handily.

[Forgewolf 70]

Even after a year of a Zombie like infection.. There is bound to be 100's or maybe even 1,000 of working vehicles.. I wish a few vehicles would actually start out usable.

[Welch (DayZ) 756]

Right? Cars don't break down randomly, and zombies would ignore them completely. So you'd have an enormous amount to choose through, siphon gas from, take stuff from, etc.

[Kajin 25]

I just wish there were more vehicles to find period. A full week of Day Z and the only repairable vehicle I've found was a fishing boat grounded on a rock in a field a kilometer north of Cherno.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

There should be a Halfords, (I don't know what the American equivalent is) why is there only one kind of bicycle?! and it's got no brakes! crazy.

[Welch (DayZ) 756]

Pic of a Halford?

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

[Sgt.Asshat 607]

If you crash a car into something solid irl, i dont think its going to drive very smooth after....

[birdman 108]

Even after a year of a Zombie like infection.. There is bound to be 100's or maybe even 1,000 of working vehicles.. I wish a few vehicles would actually start out usable.

Ok, but where do you find gas if it has been a year since the refueling trucks have run? Wouldn't the gas stations have been syphoned long ago?

[Welch (DayZ) 756]

Bike img...

We just call those Mountain Bikes here in 'Murica.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

If fuel was a more valuable commodity it would add to the player interaction (trade or otherwise)

And you can't pull the "Where do you find gas?" line in a world where ammo and food respawns regularly. Or did you think that was the work of the "Bullet Fairy"?

@ Welch . Halfords is the name of the shop

[Statik (DayZ) 2695]

When I find a vehicle, all its parts are in the red and it needs a lot of work to get it running. I often replace the fuel tank, the engine, and most or all of the wheels, plus some scrap metal to strap onto the frame to hold the whole thing together. It's in bad shape, is what I'm saying, but it can be salvaged. Then, a couple km down the road, some jerk puts three 12.7mm bullets or a half-magazine of 5.45 AK ammo through it and it's a flaming hulk, totally unsalvageable. What the actual fuck?

It should be possible to disable vehicles by shooting them, absolutely. It should also be possible to repair vehicles that have been disabled by gunfire. This GTA kablooie vehicle health needs to go. Finding cars at their spawns and being able to fix them is great. Finding shot-up cars by the side of the road and being able to fix them up would also be great.

Just boost the "hull" by about 1000%. Shooting at a car would disable it in the normal amount of time/shots, then you'd see the passengers pile out and the fight would be resolved in the normal way. At that time, the car would still be enterable, the car's inventory would still be accessible, and the car could still be patched up as usual. Maybe it takes some more scrap metal to get the hull back up to 100%, but it doesn't magically transform into a flaming wreck that's no good to anybody.

This would reduce the number of cars at regular spawns, but having a car that's in the red in one or more categories respawn in its default derelict state after just two days, regardless of saving, could get around that handily.

In a way I do see where you're coming from. But in reality, if people dump some 12.7mm bullets through your engine block...you're vehicle won't work...

[birdman 108]

And you can't pull the "Where do you find gas?" line in a world where ammo and food respawns regularly. Or did you think that was the work of the "Bullet Fairy"?

Touche. I now have something new to complain about!

EDIT: Canned food will be around for a while, just hoarded.

Edited September 26, 2012 by thebirdolux

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

In a way I do see where you're coming from. But in reality, if people dump some 12.7mm bullets through your engine block...you're vehicle won't work...

Your engine might be fucked, but you can still replace it. The car wouldn't just suddenly explode because there's a few holes in it.

EDIT: RE:Canned food. It seems to be only the good stuff that's left too! Did someone go on a rampage and collect all the string beans, rice pudding and condensed milk?!

Edited September 26, 2012 by Chabowski

[Forgewolf 70]

Ok, but where do you find gas if it has been a year since the refueling trucks have run? Wouldn't the gas stations have been syphoned long ago?

Gas should be the least common item in the game.. Yet right now.. it seems the most common to me.. I have found probably five gas cans for every one fuel tank I find, etc. Gas should be the real problem, not finding replacement parts when cars only sat around for a year.

[birdman 108]

Your engine might be fucked, but you can still replace it. It wouldn't just suddenly explode because there's a few holes in it.

And where would the replacement engines come from? The "Engine Fairy"? In your face! :D

[Kajin 25]

The Bullet Fairy isn't real? What about the Canned Goods Fairy?! She has to be real!

...

Right?

On Topic: I don't see any reason why Gas would be especially harder to come by. A much more likely reason for cars being left behind is due to traffic jams or wreckage. Or maybe the infection swept through so quickly that most people didn't have time to make it to their cars.

[birdman 108]

On Topic: I don't see any reason why Gas would be especially harder to come by. A much more likely reason for cars being left behind is due to traffic jams or wreckage. Or maybe the infection swept through so quickly that most people didn't have time to make it to their cars.

Agreed but we would need more back story to know how long the world has been in chaos and without resupply. Otherwise if the apocalypse happened five years ago people would have been borrowing parts and syphoning gas the whole time.

Edited September 26, 2012 by thebirdolux

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

Sorry t burst your bubble fellas. the Canned goods fairy and the bullet fairy were both killed in the initial outbreak, I've being trying my best to cover up the truth but now I'm rumbled.

Guess I should just throw the costumes away now... Never suited me anyway.

[hatfieldcw 184]

Fairy costumes suit everybody. No exceptions. They make you look pretty, and magical. Keep 'em, you won't regret it.

I like that a comment about fuel availability was prefaced by "On Topic:". You guys are on so many tangents that going back to a previous tangent counts as buckling down.

If you crash a car into something solid irl, i dont think its going to drive very smooth after....

In a way I do see where you're coming from. But in reality, if people dump some 12.7mm bullets through your engine block...you're vehicle won't work...

The vehicles that spawn are riddled with bullet holes, spotted with rust and missing tires, but we're able to fix them up and ride them to death and glory. I want to be able to do the same fix-up magic on vehicles that have been disabled in combat, instead of having "killed" cars go supernova. That's the topic here.

[S1ippery Jim 139]

If a car is unused for a long time the battery goes flat, brake cylinders corrode, seals perish and leak, and fuel in the tank becomes unusable due to oxidation and contamination, and evaporates. Automatic transmissions would deteriorate after the oil dries out in clutchpacks which then absorb moisture. Engine components would also dry out and corrode. The tyres would go flat, perish and crack. These things take months to years, depending on climate.

This means that vehicles left abandoned and unused during a Zombie apocalypse would eventually fall into disrepair and become inoperable.

Chernarus being a coastal region would mean accelerated deterioration and corrosion due to salt in the air especially around coastal areas such as Cherno and Elektro.

[indominator 95]

the cars here at Brazil are very poorly made, and very easy to total, so yeah, poor countrys are easy to break, deal with it. Probably the same things happens in that country.

[bazbake 456]

Shooting a car's hull shouldn't make the car blow up. They really need hit box detection in vehicles. Shoot the engine block, the engine turns red and stops running. Shoot the hull and your gets really, really ugly. (Your car shouldn't really provide much cover or protection except behind the engine block anyway.)

I don't know if it would throw off the fun driving around in your car like a badass and then being killed when someone fires a volley of .45 rounds through your door. But it would be pretty funny.

[mr_chabowski@live.co.uk 2416]

If a car is unused for a long time the battery goes flat, brake cylinders corrode, seals perish and leak, and fuel in the tank becomes unusable due to oxidation and contamination, and evaporates. Automatic transmissions would deteriorate after the oil dries out in clutchpacks which then absorb moisture. Engine components would also dry out and corrode. The tyres would go flat, perish and crack. These things take months to years, depending on climate.

This means that vehicles left abandoned and unused during a Zombie apocalypse would eventually fall into disrepair and become inoperable.

The point wasn't about wear and tear, or deterioration of components, (I honestly think there should be WAY more to fixing up vehicles than there is currently anyway. Ignition lights and horn always work fine, and that's just the tip of the iceberg)

The point is; bullets should not cause a car to explode, or randomly burst into flames, or become entirely unsalvagable in any way shape or form! Especially in an apocalypse survival game striving for authenticity.

If a car has sat for up to 5 years, is already riddled with bullets, has no fuel, smells like rat piss and for some inexplicable reason has had its wheels removed (they didn't just fall off), and can be made to run, (in game, hypothetically) as is the case with DayZ, then why, with all the oxidization and evaporated fuel, would a bullet or two make it burn up?

You can literally throw a lit cigarette into a bucket of petrol and nothing will be set on fire, (but yer tab will git put oot)

You can shoot a full petrol tank all day, and you'll just end up with a petrol tank full of holes.

We should at the very least be left with a "Car Corpse" to store gear, and salvage parts from.

[Forgewolf 70]

If a car is unused for a long time the battery goes flat, brake cylinders corrode, seals perish and leak, and fuel in the tank becomes unusable due to oxidation and contamination, and evaporates. Automatic transmissions would deteriorate after the oil dries out in clutchpacks which then absorb moisture. Engine components would also dry out and corrode. The tyres would go flat, perish and crack. These things take months to years, depending on climate.

This means that vehicles left abandoned and unused during a Zombie apocalypse would eventually fall into disrepair and become inoperable.

Chernarus being a coastal region would mean accelerated deterioration and corrosion due to salt in the air especially around coastal areas such as Cherno and Elektro.

I still don't think that'd happen in a years time though. For newer or even older type cars.. I would think it'd take more than a year for a car to deteriorate like that. There has to be a car or two out there that are fully functional.