Using Hacked Weapons?

[pcgnBobo 20]

If im splashing out £30 a month for my server to be publicly used i will police it my way... im all up for allowing anyone to come join but as soon as i notice anything hacked in or being used i will give a warning and then kick, if they return without disgarding their weapons then bye bye... i rented this server so people could again enjoy themselves and not have to worry about looking over their shoulders all the time.

Kinda dissapoints me looking to see some of you guys giving the admins a hard time, if all they do is ban hackers and try to eliminate what isn't on the DayZ weapon list, i mean yeah i bet you are all in favor of it, till thats script kiddie appears with an AS50 TWS of G36 and rips your head off. then you cry out why the admins have no power....

I police my server my way, for the players. to bring some level of enjoyment back to DayZ, hate me all you want but i stick to my moral's.

WELL said homie!

[Ballistixz 12]

Nobody is talking about items in the game, they will not ban you for having an M4 CCO SD that was hacked in because that gun is legitimate, but they can ban you for having an AS50 TWS (not in Dayz) or Makarov SD (but that gun sucks, still not in the game though).

which is why some admins ban u for enfields that were hacked just because you picked it up? explain that one. i already said that ILLEGAL items are a different story, i was talking about legal items from the very start.

u cant warn someone for it nor ban them if its a legit item that spawns in game, no matter how rare it is.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

which is why some admins ban u for enfields that were hacked just because you picked it up? explain that one. i already said that ILLEGAL items are a different story, i was talking about legal items from the very start.

u cant warn someone for it nor ban them if its a legit item that spawns in game, no matter how rare it is.

if its legit then i aint going to bother with them as i said, don't care how you got it it's still legit, though if i see the logs and i do read them frequently and notice anything not on the DayZ equipment logs then you can kiss your sorry ass goodbye from my server, end of!

[Ballistixz 12]

if its legit then i aint going to bother with them as i said, don't care how you got it it's still legit, though if i see the logs and i do read them frequently and notice anything not on the DayZ equipment logs then you can kiss your sorry ass goodbye from my server, end of!

its cool that u are clarifying that now since ur post before said otherwise or u just had a very poor choice of wording...

but as soon as i notice anything hacked in or being used i will give a warning and then kick

that comment suggest that u were going to warn and kick someone just for using a hacked item regardless of rather or not it is legit and regardless of if he spawned it or picked it up off a body..

but even if u say u do not do this other admins still do it. the first person that i originally quoted is an example of what i am talking about.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Ballistixz

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

its cool that u are clarifying that now since ur post before said otherwise or u just had a very poor choice of wording...

that comment suggest that u were going to warn and kick someone just for using a hacked item regardless of rather or not it is legit.

but even if u say u do not do this other admins still do it.

Again i won't ban certain things unless it's getting out of hand, IE a scripter running about arming new spawns with say LA85's or MK48's, scripter gets banned and i ask nicely for players to drop the weapons, most wont but i wont kick them, i generally wait for them to bump into each other and start killing... i simply hide the bodies of their "unfairly acquired loot" and proceed to mop up any excess players still with the scripted in weapons...

This is a survival mod, at the end of the day it's not like IRL someone is just gonna appear in front of you, hand you an SA80 A2 rifle with 6 mags and wish you a good day......

[Ballistixz 12]

Again i won't ban certain things unless it's getting out of hand, IE a scripter running about arming new spawns with say LA85's or MK48's, scripter gets banned and i ask nicely for players to drop the weapons, most wont but i wont kick them, i generally wait for them to bump into each other and start killing... i simply hide the bodies of their "unfairly acquired loot" and proceed to mop up any excess players still with the scripted in weapons...

This is a survival mod, at the end of the day it's not like IRL someone is just gonna appear in front of you, hand you an SA80 A2 rifle with 6 mags and wish you a good day......

if a hacker really wants to just give away items he will use a script to give everyone on that server high end weapons and gear. and in that case u cant really deal with it. even if u ban him the damage is already done.

same can be said for illegal weapons. if a hacker gives everyone on the server illegal weapons like golden AKs then what can u do.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Ballistixz

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

if a hacker really wants to just give away items he will use a script to give everyone on that server high end weapons and gear. and in that case u cant really deal with it. even if u ban him the damage is already done.

Yeah the damage is done, but then players get wrekless and go on PvP rampages, i just keep an eye on the logs and mop up the mess, then go hunt for whatever remains. Clean and Clear policy... same with camps with duped or scripted weapons. i take my axe to them and erase them from my server....

If a player agrees to take a scripters offering then they are as bad as the scripter... and will be dealt with, not by kick or ban but by death.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Derpy_Hooves

[Ballistixz 12]

Yeah the damage is done, but then players get wrekless and go on PvP rampages, i just keep an eye on the logs and mop up the mess, then go hunt for whatever remains. Clean and Clear policy... same with camps with duped or scripted weapons. i take my axe to them and erase them from my server....

If a player agrees to take a scripters offering then they are as bad as the scripter... and will be dealt with, not by kick or ban but by death.

untill a another hacker (a different one or the same one on a new key) spawns even more weapons to players on the server once ur done cleaning. new players will just roll with it since they wont know whats going on and others will take advantage and horde all the legit weapons to tents/camps/vehicles and save for another day.

sooo the point of all this is that 1 hacker gave everyone free non legit weapons, or in some cases vehicles.(not to be confused with illegal weapons). those players receive weapons/vehicles in a unlegit manor but everyone in the server is obviously not a hacker. 1 player caused all that damage and u cant really do much of anything to the hundreds of other legit players that got free unlegit but legal weapons.

it may be easy to clean up everyone that kept the illegal weapons, but u cant punish the ppl who kept the legal weapons. at that point the game is ruined because everyone has high end gear.

does it suck? ya it sure does, but it would be bad taste to punish all of those ppl because it was not there fault where as some server admins just go on a mass ban spree.

i am saying this because i have played on servers like that and i have witnessed admins just giving a fuck u ban to whoever. even if u got weapons legit by camping NWAF they will assume u got it by hacking. THIS is the abuse of admin powers i am talking about.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Ballistixz

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

I understand what you are trying to get at but can i just ask this... Do you yourself Own and admin a server?

[xxjason killsx1 0]

Yeah u we get banned.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

Yeah u we get banned.

I'm sorry, what side were you on when you got banned? and i speak for some Admins not all, so please don't throw all your hate at me, im merley speaking for those admin that take the time to rent a server then take hours out of OUR playing time to ensure you enjoy yours....

Some people tend to forget that I pay for YOUR entertainment at the expense of MY playing time....

[Ballistixz 12]

I understand what you are trying to get at but can i just ask this... Do you yourself Own and admin a server?

no i dont, but i have witnessed both sides as a player and sadly i have seen more of the abusive admins then good ones. ive even seen hackers going to direct war with admin owners and there friends purely because of there abusive nature.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Ballistixz

[DrainBamaged 38]

your bold writing is solid proof of nothing,possession is not against the rules,the logs they speak of are scripting logs.it is ok and within the rules to use hacked and duped items.so possesion logs are proof of nothing,you need scripting in logs. ..i. to the AA's

Tell you what, bring one to US 1550 or US 2522 and we'll go through the process of warning, kick, ban, and then you can come file a server report here and see how far you get.

[DrainBamaged 38]

your bold writing is solid proof of nothing,possession is not against the rules,the logs they speak of are scripting logs.it is ok and within the rules to use hacked and duped items.so possesion logs are proof of nothing,you need scripting in logs. ..i. to the AA's

Tell you what, bring one to US 1550 or US 2522 and we'll go through the process of warning, kick, ban, and then you can come file a server report here and see how far you get.

[Bushman (DayZ) 25]

Dont forget that all server admins chose to pay and agreed to the rules for what you may think is control,but its to help with bugs and developement for the game, you could easily just play on another server just like some wrongfully banned person for possession, that hasnt broken any rules.

[Ballistixz 12]

Tell you what, bring one to US 1550 or US 2522 and we'll go through the process of warning, kick, ban, and then you can come file a server report here and see how far you get.

if you are banning him and other players for possession of LEGAL items (regardless of where it came from unless he spawned it himself) he will get very far.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Ballistixz

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

no i dont, but i have witnessed both sides as a player and sadly i have seen more of the abusive admins then good ones. ive even seen hackers going to direct war with admin owners and there friends purely because of there abusive nature.

well im afraid to say i can't see your point totally mainly because you have no idea how much shit we admins have to put up with, i run a clan, host meetups, run the server with only 1 other admin as well as having a normal life. but i do it so people have somewhere safe and secure to play, at the end of the day people will learn i don't tolerate any shit and if you play legit, you are welcome...

I'm tired of seeing people go on about how unfair everything is and they are being put down by admins, yes there are some bad admins out there, but thats some people on a power-trip, it happens, but when i take all this time out of my life for your benifit i would at least expect some appreciation, maybe even a "Thank you Derpy for allowing us somewhere to play DayZ" in the end if it wasn't for guys like me you wouldn't have anywhere to play DayZ.

[Ballistixz 12]

well im afraid to say i can't see your point totally mainly because you have no idea how much shit we admins have to put up with, i run a clan, host meetups, run the server with only 1 other admin as well as having a normal life. but i do it so people have somewhere safe and secure to play, at the end of the day people will learn i don't tolerate any shit and if you play legit, you are welcome...

I'm tired of seeing people go on about how unfair everything is and they are being put down by admins, yes there are some bad admins out there, but thats some people on a power-trip, it happens, but when i take all this time out of my life for your benifit i would at least expect some appreciation, maybe even a "Thank you Derpy for allowing us somewhere to play DayZ" in the end if it wasn't for guys like me you wouldn't have anywhere to play DayZ.

just because i am not a admin doesnt mean i haven't done my research and dont know what they do.

as for everything else in that post you have said, you need to learn to deal with it as it is apart of any administration job you do. think of how much shit rocket or other developers put up with when it comes to making a mod or game for the enjoyment of others. even mods on the minecraft server have to deal with crap like "YOUR TO SLOW UPDATE FASTER" or "YOUR MOD SUCKS DICK".

you have to learn to put up with that since you were the one who chose to be a admin for a game community, and any game community u go to will have its fair share of douchbags and hackers.

in other words dont expect a thank you because you wont get one. not because of mean spirited ppl, but because players are there to play and are oblivious to what goes on behind closed doors.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Ballistixz

[AADiC 182]

if you are banning him and other players for possession of LEGAL items (regardless of where it came from unless he spawned it himself) he will get very far.

You keep talking about "legal" weapons, this is about banning for weapons that are no longer in dayz. How many times does that have to be said?

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

just because i am not a admin doesnt mean i haven't done my research and dont know what they do.

This is true, but until you experience the hours ticking by as you sort problems and keep players happy then you may just understand why im a little agitated at your attitude at the moment, Research is one thing, experience is a whole other

[AADiC 182]

Dont forget that all server admins chose to pay and agreed to the rules for what you may think is control,but its to help with bugs and developement for the game, you could easily just play on another server just like some wrongfully banned person for possession, that hasnt broken any rules.

Following the rules that lean to hackers/cheaters/exploiters is not an option, it is stupidity to not penalize someone for using something that other players can't get/use. Why it is so hard for people like you and AndreasB to get that through your heads boggles the mind. Some of the DayZ staff themselves think that it is a good idea to get rid of these players.

[Derpy_Hooves (DayZ) 4521]

just because i am not a admin doesnt mean i haven't done my research and dont know what they do.

as for everything else in that post you have said, you need to learn to deal with it as it is apart of any administration job you do. think of how much shit rocket or other developers put up with when it comes to making a mod or game for the enjoyment of others. even mods on the minecraft server have to deal with crap like "YOUR TO SLOW UPDATE FASTER" or "YOUR MOD SUCKS DICK".

you have to learn to put up with that since you were the one who chose to be a admin for a game community, and any game community u go to will have its fair share of douchbags and hackers.

in other words dont expect a thank you because you wont get one. not because of mean spirited ppl, but because players are there to play and are oblivious to what goes on behind closed doors.

Look dude im going to put this in the nicest way i possibly can... I know what i got myself into when i signed up, i know alot of people are ungrateful shits who take things for granted, Rocket and the Dev team work their arses off to provide you guys with a free mod...

My life in the Military tought me to be patient and to exercise people skills in a calm and controlled manner even under stress, even if it involves keeping a bunch of damn pixels in order...

You sir are a player, who has "Researched" Admin work, that's like me "Researching" what Rocket and the Dev team do and then turning around and saying "Oh you guys have fucked this up, i know because i researched what you do, i never have actually done it but research yeah!"

Somethings in life need to be done on a practical level like being an admin or being a developer, looking into how it's done is going to get you nowhere on the experience map.... jeez it's like saying you would be a better soldier than me cos you "Researched" my training programme... Just no!

[Ballistixz 12]

This is true, but until you experience the hours ticking by as you sort problems and keep players happy then you may just understand why im a little agitated at your attitude at the moment, Research is one thing, experience is a whole other

of course i do, and of course i have experience since dayz is not my first and only game, but like i said you are the one that chose the job and you should not expect a thank you.

when you are making a mod/game/anything for the enjoyment of others than the only thanks you will ever need is the amount of people that download ur mod/game or play on ur server. if u get loads of ppl that enjoy playing on your server and keeps on coming back for more than that should be the biggest thank you that u will ever receive. why? because that says u are doing something right and it means u are successful your endeavors.

You keep talking about "legal" weapons, this is about banning for weapons that are no longer in dayz. How many times does that have to be said?

because you keep on talking and assuming as if me or the other guy you are talking to are talking about illegal weapons when we are not? well i cant speak for the other guy actually, but i was talking about legal weapons from the very start where as it was assumed i was talking about illegal weapons.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Ballistixz

[Gavalin 90]

Thread seems to be about the whole "shit rolls down hill" Players complain to everyone and everything -they can- Admins complain to the players and dev's. Dev's fire back. All natural. Then again.

I know players are not to be banned. All the Admin's posting say they kick -then- ban. Some kick multiple times. I personally believe -they- should get to ban players that have recieved too many kicks. As of now, they can get kicked 100 times, and nothing /rejoin. Meaning the admin has to -deal- with that. Then deal with the bitching about a guy carrying the hacked gun. Then it goes to the dev's because the Admin' would have saved a bunch of BS by a ban.

Whats worse is the language barrier some times. Hell some of the guys hacking, getting kicked for either kit, can't read the warning and just keep joining. Witnessed it today in the forums when the -same- thread was created by a different person like six times. If they can read english lot of them sure as shit can't type it.

Edited September 22, 2012 by Gavalin

[AADiC 182]

of course i do, and of course i have experience since dayz is not my first and only game, but like i said you are the one that chose the job and you should not expect a thank you.

when you are making a mod/game/anything for the enjoyment of others than the only thanks you will ever need is the amount of people that download ur mod/game or play on ur server. if u get loads of ppl that enjoy playing on your server and keeps on coming back for more than that should be the biggest thank you that u will ever receive. why? because that says u are doing something right and it means u are successful your endeavors.

because you keep on talking and assuming as if me or the other guy you are talking to are talking about illegal weapons when we are not? well i cant speak for the other guy actually, but i was talking about legal weapons from the very start where as it was assumed i was talking about illegal weapons.

Really, just because somebody chooses to do something, they don't deserve a thank you?

And it has been said numerous times that only people using hacked weapons deserve the kick/ban, but you keep bringing up the opposite.