I really don't get the setup of rules for this game. Everyone gets screwed.

[dollada06 (DayZ) 32]

I will preface this by saying screw you to the numerous people whom are likely to write "QQ", "Host your own server" and all those other nonsensical bullshit replies. You suck and you don't help.

Why is this mod set up to totally screw everone? Players are forced to play on public servers which are hosted by generous people. Those generous people have to deal with hackers in some of the most arcane ways I have ever seen. When players get fucked with the server admins have no way at all to remedy the situation.

I have been teleported to the NW airfield and blown up about 50+ at this point and if an admin were able to even say sorry, give me an ALICE Pack and a Makarok I think I wouldn't have been even the least bit upset, but they can't do that.

The hacking has become such an issue that the community itself has had to create a silly community ban list. That should tell you right there that these people need more power as admins of thir own server--doesn't it?

Obviously there will be bad admins who abuse this power, but we've got some bad admins right now so what really changes here? I have hosted a few servers for CS and Minecraft. I would love to host one for DayZ, but the only thing that keeps me from doing so is the lack of control I have over moderating the server itself.

This mod is so much fun, but right now everyone--except hackers--get completely screwed.

How many people would less irritated at this:

DEAD

Hey I was just teleported to the airfield and blown up by a hacker named "douchsickle"

Admin: Yeah everyone did. Sorry everyone, I can't get you everything you had but here is a respawn pack. It has a pistol, 2 clips, a can of pop, bandage, flashlinght and an upgraded backpack. Really sorry about this and I will have the player banned asap so the never do it again.

You respawn at a point where the admin chooses an that's that.

Anyone think this would be better than:

Dead

Douchsickle bannd by battleye

Would you like a male or female?

Welcome to Kamenka.

[Goof Juice 39]

It's an unfortunate side affect of a mod for a vulnerable game code. Most of those problems will be addressed once this game hits standalone i'm sure. Though it wont be a solution for the current stage of DayZ once hackers are reduced to near non-existence the problems will stop arising with honest players being fucked. And unfortunately the whole Starter Pack thing could be abused as well as the choosing a spawn point.

[M O N S T E R 599]

Everyone gets screwed, even the hackers. They paid $15 to get a game in order to hack a mod's servers for a week, before getting banned for good. Then they either have to cough up another $15 or go do something else. Seems to me like they are the ones getting the short end of the stick?

-MONSTER

[dollada06 (DayZ) 32]

I know it would be abused, but server restarts are abused as we'll. It is possible to find a good server where that doesn't happen.

[Goof Juice 39]

Everyone gets screwed, even the hackers. They paid $15 to get a game in order to hack a mod's servers for a week, before getting banned for good. Then they either have to cough up another $15 or go do something else. Seems to me like they are the ones getting the short end of the stick?

Indeed it makes script kiddies get boned, but legit programmers and hackers who have a lot expendable income will just get the game again and not think twice about a paltry $15. To many the havoc they cause and rage they induce far outweighs the cost.

[SoulAssassin808 13]

Everyone gets screwed, even the hackers. They paid $15 to get a game in order to hack a mod's servers for a week, before getting banned for good. Then they either have to cough up another $15 or go do something else. Seems to me like they are the ones getting the short end of the stick?

-MONSTER

The only problem with that is that Battleye doesn't ban them, every server admin has to do it. I would agree with you if battleye would work and give global bans to hackers instead of banning 10000 innocent people and then bragging about it on every server with their stupid messages.

[M O N S T E R 599]

Indeed it makes script kiddies get boned, but legit programmers and hackers who have a lot expendable income will just get the game again and not think twice about a paltry $15. To many the havoc they cause and rage they induce far outweighs the cost.

Once they buy it twice, I think they'll get over it. Weather it out boys!

-MONSTER

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

I wouldn't call the community ban list silly. Why do you think organisations like PunksBusted and PBBans are so popular? If Arma had gone with PB I bet they'd gladly stream DayZ servers, but sadly they didn't - that's why there's a community ban list.

[gywidion@msn.com 80]

The real "hackers" are making money off the skiddies who buy their scrips, bypasses, and cheats. The skiddies then have to fork out cash for new Game keys and bypasses every time they get caught. I almost pity the ignorance.

If this was a game where you could farm stuff and sell it for real cash...then I could understand it. As it is, it is just kinda sad.

[corbon_hydrashock 14]

Anyone think this would be better than:

Dead

Douchsickle bannd by battleye

Would you like a male or female?

Welcome to Kamenka.

LOL, the story of my DayZ lives.

I now just don't play it for a week at a time. Once a week I get the craving to get back into it... and I have to say that there is a serene beauty to when a server starts turning to night and the stars are coming out. I love that part of it. But, really, what else is there to draw us back to re-live the same fate over and over again? I tried random killings / ambushes in major cities, and it made me feel like a madman in real life. I have no doubt that I could survive a very long time with a canteen, matches, knife and hatchet to feed myself, so that goal or drive is gone. I'm not sure, then, what's left aside from making others miserable by stealing their vehicles and/or supplies (only to have them stolen from me when I go to sleep).

Coupled with all of that, the hacks to die and respawn back at the shore without anything means only the crazy or people living in some illusion would continue to treat this as a game worthy enough to log into night after night once they've played it for a week or so.

Edited August 28, 2012 by Corbon HydraShock

[dollada06 (DayZ) 32]

That is the story of everyone at this point unfortnately.

[Sticker704 121]

How many people would less irritated at this:

DEAD

Hey I was just teleported to the airfield and blown up by a hacker named "douchsickle"

Admin: Yeah everyone did. Sorry everyone, I can't get you everything you had but here is a respawn pack. It has a pistol, 2 clips, a can of pop, bandage, flashlinght and an upgraded backpack. Really sorry about this and I will have the player banned asap so the never do it again.

You respawn at a point where the admin chooses an that's that.

DEAD from sniper

Hey I was teleported into the air by a hacker his name is "MarsBar"

Admin: Hey, don't worry, I'll ban that person without seeing any evidence at all and additionally, I will give you free shit for no reason at all. You can also choose where you spawn, you will probably pick Cheranus since that sniper is now banned, but go ahead. Edit: Woops. My bad. Misread. Apologies.

-

This is where I have the problem. Admins already have control that they didn't have before (I believe, not sure, don't quote me on it) like sidechat and private hives.

Edited August 28, 2012 by Sticker704

[dollada06 (DayZ) 32]

I wouldn't call the community ban list silly. Why do you think organisations like PunksBusted and PBBans are so popular? If Arma had gone with PB I bet they'd gladly stream DayZ servers, but sadly they didn't - that's why there's a community ban list.

The community ban list is absolutely silly. The fact that it even exists shows how little authority server owners have over their own server. They can't lock the server and make it private or the get blacklisted. They can't ouright kick suspected hckers or they get reported for BS admin abuse on these forums and get potentiall blacklisted anyway.

[Cormac McCarthy 15]

dayz is the most casual gaming experience ive ever had, the option for 3rd person and peeking corners, the option to sit and snipe, easy to hack, this is such casual gaming now.

[dollada06 (DayZ) 32]

DayZ casual?.....right.

[Buffjesus 357]

cbb reading through this thread

but ive seen maybe all of 5 hackers since i started playing 2 months ago

maybe if you stop playing on the top 5 servers on the six launcher list you would stop finding hackers

[godr4@yahoo.com 3]

Well speak for yourself buddy....

I'm having a great time int his free mod. Never been affected by hackers/scripters and anytime I die I realise immediately that it was my own fault. The 'genrous people' that setup servers do it off their own back and understand that hackers can be an issue. There is always the choice to not play or run a server.

I don't understand these threads. When did the majority of the internet turn in to a bunch of entitled cry babies?

[Angel Knight 427]

Everyone gets screwed, even the hackers. They paid $15 to get a game in order to hack a mod's servers for a week, before getting banned for good. Then they either have to cough up another $15 or go do something else. Seems to me like they are the ones getting the short end of the stick?

-MONSTER

If only this were true. I personally know of a few players who have been hacking for months now (i.e. they have admitted it to me over teamspeak/direct communication) and still haven't gotten banned. I don't use fraps so I have no hard evidence, otherwise I might report them. But when I have people ask me ask me "Hey you want a truck or anything?" and then spawn in 5 offroads, I question Battleye's effectiveness, ESPECIALLY when I meet that exact same player a month and a half later, flying around with his buddies in their FLEET of helicopters.

[Angryofficer 89]

dayz is the most casual gaming experience ive ever had, the option for 3rd person and peeking corners, the option to sit and snipe, easy to hack, this is such casual gaming now.

Wait are you serious or not?

Because if you are

You can go on a server without 3rd person. How does the option to sit and snipe make it casual. How does easy to hack make it casual.

[gywidion@msn.com 80]

The community ban list is absolutely silly. The fact that it even exists shows how little authority server owners have over their own server. They can't lock the server and make it private or the get blacklisted. They can't ouright kick suspected hckers or they get reported for BS admin abuse on these forums and get potentiall blacklisted anyway.

Admins are not forced to pay for server that connects to the hive. They agree to terms in order to do so, big difference. They in effect read the terms and say sure and that is that.

If I buy a car, I do not just get to ignore the law cuz I paid for it, same with my gun. Can't shoot some dude cuz he knocks on the door.

I cannot go in to a school and hang cuz I pay property taxes.

There are reasons those terms for server control are there.

[Faceman Peck 93]

Op, its a good point that admins should have more control of their own servers. The argument is even more abuse could come from it. I would like to see a healthy balance as well but im not sure this is it. Monster is right in many respects; just keep on keepin on and things will get sorted out.

[tinit 54]

I will preface this by saying screw you to the numerous people whom are likely to write "QQ", "Host your own server" and all those other nonsensical bullshit replies. You suck and you don't help.

So infact you want to say screw you.... to yourself coz if this isnt a thread bitching about pointless crap ( QQ ) then i fail to see what is .... welcome to dayz there are hackers there is little admins can do we know all this anyone playing or surfing the forum for 5 mins could post the same whining thread you have either play the game , join in the friendly banter on the forums or jsut dont bother we can do without post like this or posters like you..

sorry to go all RAGE but recently this forum is just bitch and whine central :P

Or of course your trolling and if that is the case i doff my cap to thee

[dollada06 (DayZ) 32]

Well speak for yourself buddy....

I'm having a great time int his free mod. Never been affected by hackers/scripters and anytime I die I realise immediately that it was my own fault. The 'genrous people' that setup servers do it off their own back and understand that hackers can be an issue. There is always the choice to not play or run a server.

I don't understand these threads. When did the majority of the internet turn in to a bunch of entitled cry babies?

Speak for myself? I am part of the vast majority of players. You've never been hacked so you have no frame of reference here jackass. You are speaking about something you know nothing of and that makes me a crybaby how?

[dollada06 (DayZ) 32]

So infact you want to say screw you.... to yourself coz if this isnt a thread bitching about pointless crap ( QQ ) then i fail to see what is .... welcome to dayz there are hackers there is little admins can do we know all this anyone playing or surfing the forum for 5 mins could post the same whining thread you have either play the game , join in the friendly banter on the forums or jsut dont bother we can do without post like this or posters like you..

sorry to go all RAGE but recently this forum is just bitch and whine central :P

Or of course your trolling and if that is the case i doff my cap to thee

Nope, I'm not trolling at all. Nore am I raging or crying. I'm just saying that I don't understand why admins are punished by blacklisting if they tr to protect their server by locking it or anything like that. Its just asinine to me.

[tinit 54]

Nope, I'm not trolling at all. Nore am I raging or crying. I'm just saying that I don't understand why admins are punished by blacklisting if they tr to protect their server by locking it or anything like that. Its just asinine to me.

well good for you thts the way things go you wanna change things , why not go into your local community and give a fuck there coz no one here does :D