Are they denying everyone?

[Kynes 5]

So, no, you aren't going to be approved on that IP. Because I am dick? No, because it wouldn't be fair to bend the rules for you while others get denied. The rules get applied fairly to everyone.

Oh, and yeah, the thing about it being on MIT's network...

Whatever man, it is not a big deal. I don't even care at this point. I didn't call you a dick or make any remarks about you in anyway, in fact I've been pretty civil this entire time. I still think you are very unprofessional for unveiling my employer in a public forum, there was no need for that.

[Kynes 5]

"I don't care what people run on their servers as long as no one on the outside world complains"

Complete non-sense.

I believe that your approach to this entire situation was wrong, and you simply through your statements made a fool of yourself. When you could have potentially resolved this matter in a much different manner.

Not my statement, just what I was told. And it is not complete non-sense, working for a university is a lot different than working for some company. We give our users a lot of freedom, we don't restrict what hardware and software they use as long as it doesn't cause issues on the network (which is mostly hacked machines that cause problems).

As far as resolving the issue, I tried, my internet connections are outstanding, regardless of what fox thinks and I offered to change my OS version.

At this point it doesn't matter. They said no, I will move on to private hive/server status, that's all.

As far as your insults, well, this is what I get for playing video games. You deal with asshole kids and 20 somethings.

[urbanfox 116]

Your server's bandwidth, per YOUR application, does not meet our requirement. Your backbone doesn't matter. I don't understand why you would expect me to bend the rules for you and approve you when others get denied for not having a 100/100 minimum connection.

Edited August 28, 2012 by urbanfox

[jdblair5 170]

OP- Private Hive. Less headaches, less hassles, more control.

[TheDesigner 1197]

And I have to refute your stance and say how unprofessional it is for the OP to flip the bird at DayZ's volunteer support by not taking the time to research what it takes to run a DayZ server (and your own damn network) before filing an instance ID request.

The OP can't be bothered to search the forums for answers. Everything urbanfox has stated has already been covered on the forums.

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/79593-information-on-server-requests-082312/

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/55657-start-here-a-beginners-guide-to-dayz-servers-and-administration/

Read that first link to understand the DayZ volunteers' point of view and how a smug sysadmin who wants to setup a server who can't be "inconvenienced" to set things up right and submit a proper instance request is just a colossal waste of the volunteer's time. Time that could be spent addressing legitimate inquiries.

Alright, this isn't my place to argue. I wasn't going to post anything further until you came in and got all "White Knight" about the smug OP, TheDesigner. I'm done now, though. I just hate seeing people gang up on the DayZ volunteers for not being at their beck and call. "But, I'm willing to contribute a server to the cause! Kiss my feet!". Bullshit.

Just because they are volunteer, does not mean they can be so rude to someone who did not know about any requirements. Why would he search the forums for something he didn't think he would have to know?

A professional response would of been them telling him to read those links and do some research, then get back to them. Being a volunteer doesn't give you the right to be rude and just send a one-liner email. They are DayZ staff, no one forced them to take that position, so if they feel like they have the right to be so rude to someone trying to contribute, just because he didn't do his research, then they need to quit.

Edit: I do agree with everyone on getting a private hive, you don't have to deal with the "you banned a suspected hacker? BLLLLAACKLIST!!"

I would even play a team death match or team objective server, since DayZ is getting very dull.

Edited August 28, 2012 by TheDesigner

[venthos 605]

See, that's your problem. You're already looking at the issue through the eyes of a self-entitled "me me me" consumer. You are under the assumption that urbanfox was "rude" first.

Wrong.

Kynes was rude first by not taking the time to fill out a proper request by doing proper research beforehand. By doing that, he is essentially saying "Urbanfox, my time is worth more than yours. I know it would be logical to check the forum section "Sever General" for information about DayZ servers. But, I can't be bothered to do any research. Hell, I won't even post a thread asking for guidance. I'll even admit I don't know what the criteria are by saying "I can change the OS if it's not satisfactory" (implying I never read any server requirements, as they dictate windows server). After all, I am more important than you. I will just roll my face into this keyboard here and expect you to check my work for me. Whatever I did wrong, you let me know so I can just roll my face into the keyboard again and have do all the legwork for me."

Coming from someone who has worked in an IT support capacity for years (before becoming a developer some years back), I can assure you this is how such submissions come across. For good reason, too. Such consumers are *actually* self-entitled jerks. Every time. Kynes has demonstrated in this very thread that that's EXACTLY how he was thinking. "I'm just a sysadmin. I didn't know the correct information, so I just guessed. I didn't know what OS is best, so I just guessed. Researching is beyond me. I can't be bothered. Do my work for me, urbanfox."

I mean, shit, he didn't even have to search if he wanted since you seem to imply that searching forums is some insurmountable task that's unreasonable to ask of someone wanting to host a DayZ server (if searching forums is too hard, being a DayZ sysadmin would be too hard for them). He could've asked "Hey, anything I need to know?" to the forums. Granted people would've dog piled the thread (me included) and said "Hey, idiot, look at the stickies" he would've at least made an effort to research vs. abusing DayZ volunteers as research assistants. He would've also found out the answers.

I don't mean to put words into urbanfox's mouth. I have no affiliation with ANYONE who works for or volunteers for DayZ. I'm just some random dude who decided to host a DayZ server. I just think it's hilarious how you're offended that urbanfox reciprocated the amount of effort Kynes put into his instance ID request. Such little effort *is* rude, isn't it? But you simply can't draw the parallel of how putting zero effort into an instance ID request is the same as putting little effort into a short and terse response. Kynes simply acted like a jerk first, and urbanfox likely didn't feel compelled to put anymore effort into his response than Kynes did into his instance request. At least, that would be my point of view (can't speak for urbanfox).

To even further drill the point home, it's clear Kynes was doing this on a whim because it "sounded neat". The Win7 box was probably some workstation in his department and he thought "Hmm, a DayZ server would be neat" and just fat fingered in the instance ID request 2 minutes later. Like he says, he's consulted nobody at his institution that's responsible for maintaining the network about hosting a game server. He's just operating off of some ambiguous "implied" statement of "do whatever" from the institution's IT department. He's wasting everyone's time.

[Kynes 5]

Wow, Venthos is losing his mind, I love it. More qq please. I love how you don't want to put words in Foxes mouth but you will make assumptions and put words into mine. heh

And Fox why are you continuing to bring up my backbone numbers... did you not see where I said I wouldn't persue this any longer. It's a dead issue, you won't approve and that is fine. Private server here I come!

[Cerven 80]

It's great that you want to staunchly defend Urbanfox, Venthos. Really. He's a grown man though, and I think he can speak for himself - as you even said, you don't need to put words into his mouth.

So don't.

Here's the thing. His title is this: "Community Support". That doesn't say "Guy who doesn't have to put up with your lack of reading skills". Did this guy do due diligence? Nah, he didn't - he could have found most of this information without really putting forth any real effort at all. But for whatever reason, whether ignorance, stupidity, or sheer laziness, he didn't. I don't know why he didn't, and neither do you.

Regardless, Urbanfox has been put into a Community Support role, and whether it's volunteer or otherwise literally does not matter. He's been given a share of responsibility on here, and whether he or anyone else believes it or not, he is representative of the project at hand. How much harder would it have been to simply change his tone to something a little less negative and come at this from a helpful, if stern, perspective? I was pretty much on board with his points ( aside from his tone, which I thought was excessive - but that's my opinion ) until he started delving into the guy's employer. To drop that onto public forums like that is just unnecessary, and it's unprofessional. If he really felt he needed to interject that bit of information, it should have gone to private messages. I don't care how dumb the OP is, breaching that sort of information that was disclosed on a private application is wrong, period.

The fact that you're continuing to speculate on the nature of this guy's potential server without any real information just leads me to believe you've already cashed your chips in though. You've decided this dude's a moron, and you'll rail against him ad infinitum until this thread is dead. That's unfortunate, because all of this could have been easily avoided had there just been some civil discourse and a final 'Look, this is the way it is, I can't help you, sorry'.

Edited August 28, 2012 by Cerven

[urbanfox 116]

It's great that you want to staunchly defend Urbanfox, Venthos. Really. He's a grown man though, and I think he can speak for himself - as you even said, you don't need to put words into his mouth.

So don't.

Here's the thing. His title is this: "Community Support". That doesn't say "Guy who doesn't have to put up with your lack of reading skills". Did this guy do due diligence? Nah, he didn't - he could have found most of this information without really putting forth any real effort at all. But for whatever reason, whether ignorance, stupidity, or sheer laziness, he didn't. I don't know why he didn't, and neither do you.

Regardless, Urbanfox has been put into a Community Support role, and whether it's volunteer or otherwise literally does not matter. He's been given a share of responsibility on here, and whether he or anyone else believes it or not, he is representative of the project at hand. How much harder would it have been to simply change his tone to something a little less negative and come at this from a helpful, if stern, perspective? I was pretty much on board with his points ( aside from his tone, which I thought was excessive - but that's my opinion ) until he started delving into the guy's employer. To drop that onto public forums like that is just unnecessary, and it's unprofessional. If he really felt he needed to interject that bit of information, it should have gone to private messages. I don't care how dumb the OP is, breaching that sort of information that was disclosed on a private application is wrong, period.

The fact that you're continuing to speculate on the nature of this guy's potential server without any real information just leads me to believe you've already cashed your chips in though. You've decided this dude's a moron, and you'll rail against him ad infinitum until this thread is dead. That's unfortunate, because all of this could have been easily avoided had there just been some civil discourse and a final 'Look, this is the way it is, I can't help you, sorry'.

I appreciate the criticism and I will take it under consideration, thank you. As for divulging his employer, I was strictly talking about the IP he requested, which would be public knowledge if approved. That IP belongs to MIT. I never said he works there, he divulged that information. That may seem like semantics, but to me it is not.

And Fox why are you continuing to bring up my backbone numbers... did you not see where I said I wouldn't persue this any longer. It's a dead issue, you won't approve and that is fine. Private server here I come!

Well, if that's the case, why are you still posting here?

[Cerven 80]

Sounds like this needs a lock, Fox.

[shawnbayer75 83]

I agree Cerven.

Locked.