Stanag clips and the silenced M4A1

[LeNger 0]

Hey forum!

I have discovered yesterday that the NORMAL Stanag 30 Rnd. mags are only usable in the non- SD weapons, though the SD Stanag 30 Rnd. mags are usable in both, SD and non-SD M4A1.

It sounds kinda weird to me that there are 2 different kind of clips for SD and non-SD weapons. After all, the silencer is just an attachment and doesn't really depend on the ammo, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, otherwise I'd like to see some changes :)

LeNger

[Publik 404]

Hey forum!

I have discovered yesterday that the NORMAL Stanag 30 Rnd. mags are only usable in the non- SD weapons' date=' though the SD Stanag 30 Rnd. mags are usable in both, SD and non-SD M4A1.

It sounds kinda weird to me that there are 2 different kind of clips for SD and non-SD weapons. After all, the silencer is just an attachment and doesn't really depend on the ammo, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, otherwise I'd like to see some changes :)

LeNger

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The SD ammo is subsonic and used for suppressed weapons. Can't really suppress a sonic boom.

You have been corrected.

[LeNger 0]

Thanks!

[sarlac 10]

There is no real reason that you can't use normal rounds in a suppressed weapon IRL. The advantage as someone said a moment ago is subsonic rounds travel slower so there is no crack as the round goes supersonic. This whole thing is poorly modeled in the game. IRL subsonic rounds are quieter but also slower, impact with less force, and can cause feed issues in recoil operated weapons. Dedicated suppressed weapons have lighter components to be sure they will cycle properly. Also, suppressors have to be cleaned after a few hundred rounds. Junk builds up in the baffles and can cause issues. Then there is the wet vs dry suppressor topic. A 9mm handgun with a dry suppressor with subsonic ammo will be around 130db. That's still pretty loud. With a wet suppressor you can subtract maybe another 10 or 15db. So even under ideal conditions you'll hear the pop from medium range. It's just not AS loud. By comparison standard ammo in a non suppressed 9mm is around 160db.

Interesting reading on the topic

http://www.mendsavunma.com.tr/dynamic/images/firearm_sound_suppression-b&t.pdf

http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/hush.html

[SillyGoose 0]

Hey forum!

I have discovered yesterday that the NORMAL Stanag 30 Rnd. mags are only usable in the non- SD weapons' date=' though the SD Stanag 30 Rnd. mags are usable in both, SD and non-SD M4A1.

It sounds kinda weird to me that there are 2 different kind of clips for SD and non-SD weapons. After all, the silencer is just an attachment and doesn't really depend on the ammo, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, otherwise I'd like to see some changes :)

LeNger

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The SD ammo is subsonic and used for suppressed weapons. Can't really suppress a sonic boom.

You have been corrected.

Yes - subsonic ammo will be quieter, but any ammunition will fire in a weapon with a suppressor on it. Any stanag mag should work with the SD weapons. This needs to be fixed.