Invalid ban from UK 119

[Churches 0]

Hi,

I recently discovered I was banned from UK 119. After a conversation with Gogster, I found out I was flagged as a cheater because of this:

04.08.2012 12:40:14: Churches (86.143.193.158:2302) 7bb8f8233bf13c070055fc9d27bc8e89 - #125 dummy"]; _dummy = [_this,"players"] execVM "\ca\ui\scripts\dedicatedServerInterface.sqf";

Obviously, I'll begin by saying I do not cheat :)

I think I triggered the cheat flag by messing around with my in-game map. I hadn't had one before and so one day I checked out the menu it has. One of the buttons you can click is "Server control", which does not initially appear but shows up after clicking "Notes", for instance. Out of curiosity, I clicked it and got kicked. And now I'm banned from UK 119.

I've submitted the presence of that button as a bug.

I'd like the ban lifted as I do (or did) play on that server, and I want my name cleared. Apart from this one flag you'll find no evidence on any other server of me doing anything illegal. Surely a cheater would simply try something else on another server?

I'm also confused about the flag saying my IP is 86.143.193.158. Maybe it means something else, as my IP starts with 109.150. Or someone copied my name, but I can't imagine that.

Please lift my ban. I'm happy to provide any further info if required. There are hundreds of other servers I can play on but I just want this one blemish off my "record". It's undeserved.

Thanks,

Churches

[Lapis 4]

I can confirm this. It has happened to me a few times on Dayz and Non Dayz servers. Ive seen it used to block players from using the vote admin vote kick, etc.

[Churches 0]

Thanks for confirming that Lapis! I wasn't sure if that map thing was the reason but that does make me more confident.

I really hope I can get some confirmation that this ban will be lifted. It's the principle of the thing :)

[Miller (DayZ) 0]

As long as there's nothing else about you in the Scriptlog, your ban will surely be lifted. My server has tons of these entries, roughly guessed about 2000. And as you've already said, they appear when somebody tries to access the Server control panel.

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

From my point of view.

This ban was prior execscripts log being introduced, whether that would have picked up anything along the lines of a script being run in not known. What is known that the dedicatedServerInterface.sqf didn't produce any other entries, it is enough to initialize the cheat interface with this.

Secondly, there is no reason for anyone to open the server interface in game, other than to inject cheats into their session.

This is from the scripts.txt file:

5 [_this,"players"] execVM "\ca\ui\scripts\dedicatedServerInterface.sqf";

Although some of the mods here have stated it can be reduce to a kick, we're of the opinion that there is no good reason for a player to open the server interface in game. In our file it remains a ban.

Since we started banning for this script violation our instances of this appearing in the log have reduced ten-fold. Furthermore, it takes a simple Google search on YouTube to see this being used to inject a cheat interface into DayZ.

On a final note, this is a ban from UK 173, UK 118 & UK 119 - the player is free to play on other servers, unless they've banned him for this too.

[Churches 0]

Secondly, there is no reason for anyone to open the server interface in game, other than to inject cheats into their session.

Curiosity. I don't know what I was expecting. A list of configurations in read-only mode or something.

There is no reason for the game to present this button to me. It is initially hidden, but appears when you click Notes, which leads me to believe the intent is for that button never to appear at all.

Aside from curiosity, it's even possible that people accidentally click it while going for one of the other buttons. This is why I logged it as a bug as well, but I don't see the bug in the forum yet.

I do understand an admin's point of view and kicking is definitely the right response. But a ban, simply because I was presented with a button to press, goes too far in my opinion. If the button had been bright red and labeled "Click me to get banned", then sure, my bad :P

I was amused at getting kicked at the time and told my friends on Ventrilo. Luckily they were on other servers, as they had a look themselves, and so far have no bans to their names.

It just bothers me that I am now marked as a cheater while I did nothing wrong. There's not a log in the DayZ universe that shows any other bad behaviour on my part. I did not file this appeal just to get access to three out of hundreds of servers - I filed it to clear my name.

I hope BattleEye never does a global copy of local bans or something. If I run into any further trouble I can at least refer back to this post. Everyone does seem to agree that I clicked a button in the game, and never did anything else.

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

I do understand an admin's point of view and kicking is definitely the right response. But a ban, simply because I was presented with a button to press, goes too far in my opinion. If the button had been bright red and labeled "Click me to get banned", then sure, my bad

I was amused at getting kicked at the time and told my friends on Ventrilo. Luckily they were on other servers, as they had a look themselves, and so far have no bans to their names.

That's up to the admin of the server.

It just bothers me that I am now marked as a cheater

It's local, not global.

while I did nothing wrong.

So you say.

There's not a log in the DayZ universe that shows any other bad behaviour on my part.

Spawn item scripting came in 2 days ago. Neither is this proof that you weren't doing anything else, the hit is enough to run several cheats.

I did not file this appeal just to get access to three out of hundreds of servers - I filed it to clear my name.

The nomenclature shouldn't bother you, this is a local ban.

I hope BattleEye never does a global copy of local bans or something.

I doubt BE would implement global for local bans, unless the hits comes from a detected BE cheat.

If I run into any further trouble I can at least refer back to this post. Everyone does seem to agree that I clicked a button in the game, and never did anything else.

Everyone? You may garner the support of the 'anti-admin' crowd that gather in this ban forum, as previously stated - certain facts are undeniable:

• You entered the dedicatedServerInterface.sqf
  
• It create a hit in our script detected
  
• The default setting from the scripts.txt file is a ban
  
• We take a very strong stance against all cheats on our servers - the majority do not produce this hit
  

The main overriding problem here is that we have your word alone that you were not doing anything else than being curious. Prior to the execscripts detection you could have been spawning items left right and centre and we would not know.

[liam@venturefox.com 13]

This happens on every server, you click that button, you get kicked (or in this case banned). There is no reason for the button to be there for the public to see and I have been kicked once for clicking out of curiosity. You should not be banning people for a single instance of this occurring as it could be a purely innocent error. Any more than once and they deserve a ban most likely.

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

This happens on every server, you click that button, you get kicked (or in this case banned). There is no reason for the button to be there for the public to see and I have been kicked once for clicking out of curiosity. You should not be banning people for a single instance of this occurring as it could be a purely innocent error. Any more than once and they deserve a ban most likely.

More curiosity, one persons curiosity - another persons script injection. I err on the side of caution.

Thanks for telling me how to run my server.

[Huey (DayZ) 87]

I like your posts Gogster, as always :)

[Churches 0]

Thanks for the reply Gogster.

Please don't put me in the "anti-admin crowd". I honestly am not trying to be adversarial here.

You say it's only my word I did nothing wrong. I say it's only your word I did something wrong. Apart from that button click, there is zero evidence. And there is no corroborating evidence elsewhere either. You'd expect a real cheater to leave traces on multiple servers.

Anyway. I hope you'll agree I'm entitled to my own opinions. In this case, I think a ban is too strong a response. But I am not telling you how to run your server. I am appealing the decision to ban me, but I see that'll go nowhere. I do appreciate you're making life worse for the many hackers ruining this game.

I'm happy with your detailed responses, and also with everyone here posting in my support. Even if the ban is not lifted at least it's obvious from this thread there is no real case against me.

I'm happy leaving this thread as it is. No further action required.

[KField86 237]

I agree with Gogster's decision. There is no reason for anyone to be opening the server interface/controls. If you have a look at the popular VIP cheats on youtube, you'll notice that the way they inject their scripts is via this interface. That is why in the new logging files, this is automatically given a kick, and or ban. To prevent abusing of the system to inject cheats. Finally we're reaching a crossroads now where we can reliably, and effectively prevent MOST cheats/scripts from executing. As it stands this was a local ban, and as long as it's his word against yours, he will still have the upper hand because you did something that is directly associated with script injections, whether it is legitimate or not. The case stands that you could of very well executed further malicious scripts, but weren't allowed to do so because the system caught your attempt to open the controls.

Sure the big boy cheats will still get through, but with perseverance we'll be able to stop those too in the future. Thankfully we've already reached a point where we've defeated some of the popular mass-kill scripts, like thunderdome and "To the moon, Alice!" (Depending on how you set up your server, anyway)

The days of shitty public hacks found on google are over, until some smarter people come along.. but as it is, these logging files cannot be circumvented via a client side hack, so these low-lifes are going to have their work cut out for them. Just maybe we can take the game back from them. Maybe not entirely, but certainly enough to enjoy it more than we have been for the last few weeks.

Edited August 17, 2012 by KField86

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

Update:

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/77077-uk118-uk119-uk173-server-interface-bans/

[lewisis@btinternet.com 0]

I just tried to join this exact lobby UK 119 (Just happens to be the same, led me to here).

Before I was even in the lobby it said I was banned.

I don't know if I've been in the server before.

http://imgur.com/SouGv

Edited August 20, 2012 by Sexy Raul

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

I just tried to join this exact lobby UK 119 (Just happens to be the same, led me to here).

Before I was even in the lobby it said I was banned.

I don't know if I've been in the server before.

http://imgur.com/SouGv

You have, otherwise we wouldn't have your GUID in our server logs. I will double check the veracity of this ban with other server admins.

It's better to start your own topic than hijack someone else's or this may not have been picked up.

[jamesjordan24@hotmail.com 14]

Typical server admin, throwing out bans in an irrational fear that everyone is cheating.

You can just kick people who access the dedicated server control, you know that, right?

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

Typical server admin, throwing out bans in an irrational fear that everyone is cheating.

You can just kick people who access the dedicated server control, you know that, right?

Right, I was cheesed off this morning to read this after trawling through 300mb of logs.

Yes you can, prior to 2.5 update and the introduction of the extra log files we used to ban for it, there were other reason but nothing I'm going to go into in a public forum.

If you'd like to be less condescending in your comment, we don't "throw out bans", you will not find a single ban on our servers that does not have a corresponding log file.

Try and be less patronising, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

Edited August 21, 2012 by Gogster

[hunter2123 106]

That's like hitting shift P or opening map and scrolling. your a fucking shit admin

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

That's like hitting shift P or opening map and scrolling. your a fucking shit admin

Really?

Tell me how you come to that conclusion? Regale me with your high brow view of how I run my servers. Otherwise you're just a troll trying to be clever and failing at both.

Cockwomble.

[Yann (DayZ) 60]

That's like hitting shift P or opening map and scrolling. your a fucking shit admin

You should probably get your own house in order before demonstrating your terrible opinion ( and grammar )

Edited August 21, 2012 by Yann

[JamesR 74]

There are servers that ban you for clicking a button in the game interface? I've clicked that before too. Other games show you how the server is configured on that screen. I know that's what I was expecting I got kicked for it though not banned.

[Cuthof 2]

Amazing stance you have there mister admin.

Yes this was widely used before, but since most servers started kicking for it this was changed weeks ago for just about every pay-to-hack. Haven't been paying much attention to the CE-community, tho presume they as well have found other loop-holes long ago.

Would love to know the innocent-to-hacker ratio on those bans, and hear you justify it afterwards.

Oh, forgot -

INB4 my server*

Edited August 22, 2012 by Cuthof

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

Said stuff

What's your in game name? I'll check on your ban for you.

[Cuthof 2]

Not banned.

[Gogster (DayZ) 626]

Not banned.

Oh, why did you post then?