Strange things... this shouldn't be possible right?

[DayFlawZ 5]

So... before I go and blame some servers admin, I thought it would be a good idea to ask first if this is possible... or what could have happened....

We were playing on a server on Saturday night, and found a broken pickup (one bad wheel) on a hill over elektro (it contained a cz 500 + amo, 2 road flares and a can of beans). We got down to Elektro and found the possible driver dead with car spare parts in his backpack. We fixed the car our-self and moved it to another location. We stored some items in it and saved it several times. On Sunday night we were driving the car up north when we all got "Your session was lost" at the same time. The server disappeared for a minute from the server list, to be back with another UTC-X(it was from +2 to -6 I think) description. We all logged back in and searched for the car, but it was gone. We checked the whole way we drove before the connection loss, we checked all the spots we saved the car and the spots we entered/left the car, also we searched the road forward in case it kept rolling while we lost connection.

After 10-15 minutes of search, we spotted a pickup coming from the north driving to Solnichniy. We had some brawl with the driver and the passenger... they alt-f4'ed etc. anyway we gained access to the pickup and guess what was in it: A cz 500 + amo, 2 road flares and a can of beans.

How is this possible? I mean a cz 500, 2 road-flares and exactly one can of beans don't sound like the standard equipment for every car in dayz. Also we threw that stuff our of our car, and stored some valuable items in it. From the direction the car came from, compared to the place we lost it, it's not possible that someone else found it and drove it there without us noticing (would be quite a long way anyway). So it would have been pretty dumb to dump our items on the floor and re-gear it with road-flares and a can of beans.

Also we were checking the Solnichniy quarry 10-15 minutes before the restart and there was no truck, after the connection loss there was beautiful V3S Civilian.

TLDR:

-Lonley car with specific gear found

-Car was saved and re-geared

- All 4 of us get session lost

- Server Time is changed from utc+2 to utc-6

- Car disappears and not to be found anywhere near

- Same car appears from a totally different direction

- Car is equipped with the original specific gear

- Our items in it gone

Edited August 6, 2012 by DayFlawZ

[Colonel Shade. 19]

Sound like admin abuse :D

sadly people tend to roll back servers when they loose their car, and we can't do anything about it :/

[DayFlawZ 5]

Sound like admin abuse :D

sadly people tend to roll back servers when they loose their car, and we can't do anything about it :/

Well when I read the stickies in the server report forums it says that is is not possible for an admin to roll back anything...

We cannot:

- Spawn in weapons and vehicles

- Remotely kill players

- Crash your game

- Roll back our servers to previous 'saves'

- Spawn nukes on top of players

- Teleport

Since I trust in stickies I'm confused and wanted to make sure something like this CAN happen.

Edited August 6, 2012 by DayFlawZ

[LegitOldSchool 261]

Server admins abuse their rights all the time, when you steal their stuff or kill them, they just restart the map and get their vehicle back from where they first got it, happened to me 2 days ago playing with 2 friends. We were heading south through the forest when by accident we found a V3S civilian truck with tons of gear in it. We all got in and drove it for about 5 mins before we all lost connection and the server was restarted. When we got back we didn't have the truck anymore and it wasn't where we had found it 5 mins before. Whiny kids those admins.

EDIT: Just a clarification, the server didn't "roll back", but the map was reset so that the admins could get the vehicle where it originally spawned, and they didn't want us to have it obviously.

Edited August 6, 2012 by EchoZeero

[DayFlawZ 5]

Well I checked the server monitor but it was NOT restartet. So I guess they restarted the map right?

It's hard to proof :( Worth reporting?

[hawkygaming 43]

Server admins abuse their rights all the time, when you steal their stuff or kill them, they just restart the map and get their vehicle back from where they first got it, happened to me 2 days ago playing with 2 friends. We were heading south through the forest when by accident we found a V3S civilian truck with tons of gear in it. We all got in and drove it for about 5 mins before we all lost connection and the server was restarted. When we got back we didn't have the truck anymore and it wasn't where we had found it 5 mins before. Whiny kids those admins.

EDIT: Just a clarification, the server didn't "roll back", but the map was reset so that the admins could get the vehicle where it originally spawned, and they didn't want us to have it obviously.

I beg to differ on LU92 :) Friendly Group of mature players (Including ourself) Lost ALL of our vehicles to "Legit" players. We didn't do any of that. Instead, We split up and searched top and bottom of the map. Let's just say... We have some of our vehicles back and a couple of dead survivors behind us. Good fun!

[{sas}stalker 108]

Admins cant restart the map, client data is stored remotely on the hive so even if they could it would make little difference. secondly you cant edit the server.cfg file whilst the process is running so if it came back with a different name then it 100% was restarted. If it was restarted soon after you saved the vehicle then its possible that, that data wasnt issued to the hive (it doesnt constantly stream) and the car simply reverted to its last "real" save point on restart.

Edited August 6, 2012 by {SAS}Stalker

[Haliber 15]

sounds like one of those lame servers which changes time to ensure it's always Day/Night instead of sticking to a normal day night cycle.

Chances are it may have been at a previous save and taken before you had a chance to discover it.

[DayFlawZ 5]

Well... we were equipping and storing/saving stuff in the car before we drove off (we were driving for 5-10min, not fast cause of the terrain). The car was in our "possession" for ~20 hours. We found in the early Sunday morning and it we got the disconnect around 22:00. So I don't think it's likely that it wasn't saved because of not syncing with the hive. We had some wheel problems during the day so the car wasn't moved much, which enabled us to check the possible spots pretty fast.

Additionally our stuff wasn't in the car anymore. And a corpse (was shot out of the car) was found with worse equipment than we stored in the car.

So who would find a car, get rid of the good stuff in it, and re-grear it with a cz 500, 2 roadflares and a can of beans?

Something must have been reverted.

Edited August 6, 2012 by DayFlawZ

[Haliber 15]

Admins have no capability to restore from saves - vehicular data is stored on the HIVE.

If there was an issue with the HIVE and it had to be reverted - we'd see a lot more of these threads.

Maybe the car spawns with said equiptment?

For example the tractor spawns with empty whiskey bottles - maybe it was blown up?

[filip_vdm@hotmail.com 13]

The CZ550, roadflares and beans are equipment that spawns in pickups when they are 'fresh' on the map on a spawnpoint.

When you drive a car and the server resets the car goes back to the last save spot or in very rare occasions where you just were when driving.

The fact you put in better gear in the car and took out the 'spawn gear' can also be reset when the server restarts shortly after.

These are facts and not speculation :)

So what I think happened is that when the server restarted the vehicle went to the spawn spot back with the spawngear and someone fixed her back up and took it away. The guys you ran into later apperently.

Could also be the car went back to the spawn spot completly fixed so noone had to fix her up but just drive off.

EDIT: As you see in my sig I am a server admin and I rent my server, we DON'T have the possibility to roll back servers as stated in many post before. The only abuse the admin could have done here is restarting the server and hope the car would be back at the spawn spot for him to take. But I doubt that.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Filip VDM

[DayFlawZ 5]

Admins have no capability to restore from saves - vehicular data is stored on the HIVE.

If there was an issue with the HIVE and it had to be reverted - we'd see a lot more of these threads.

Maybe the car spawns with said equiptment?

For example the tractor spawns with empty whiskey bottles - maybe it was blown up?

Quite an interesting Point, thanks for that thought. I didn't think about that, but well for such good thoughts, I posted it here first ;)

@Filip

The server wasn't restarted according to the server monitor. But it seems every one dropped from it since we were in the missing screen for some time (also Six Launcher showed waiting). We really checked all the possible points where it was saved, entered/left, we also checked the whole valley where we were driving in. Additionally I'm pretty certain that the time was changed (is that possible without restart? Could it cause session loss? We were playing Saturday night and it was pitch dark, Sunday night it dawned around 22:00 (Utc+2 where we life).

[ironhearse 0]

please join our teamspeak 94.242.227.50:9994 to try and find out what happened to your vehicle.

sorry for any problems,

ps, our server has night and day cycles running.

[filip_vdm@hotmail.com 13]

@Filip

The server wasn't restarted according to the server monitor. But it seems every one dropped from it since we were in the missing screen for some time (also Six Launcher showed waiting). We really checked all the possible points where it was saved, entered/left, we also checked the whole valley where we were driving in. Additionally I'm pretty certain that the time was changed (is that possible without restart? Could it cause session loss? We were playing Saturday night and it was pitch dark, Sunday night it dawned around 22:00 (Utc+2 where we life).

If the status goes to 'waiting' it most likely means the mission was restarted using the "#restart mission" command in an RCON. Your connection to the server will not timeout but you will be back in the lobby with a possible countdown. You only loose your connection to a server when the server restarts using a physical restart (when you have your own hardware). In my case when renting server you would loose connection when I go into the control panel and click 'stop -> Start' server or 'restart'.

Edited August 7, 2012 by Filip VDM

[MadHatter (DayZ) 1]

I have noticed that all the hacked vehicles respawn with the exact same things in them. I don't think in this case it was admin abuse. I have my own serer and have never hit the restart map button. Now if you steal my stuff I will search every grid until i find you and gut you like a fish :D . But seriously it's part of the game to lose stuff.

[Food 309]

We CAN'T rollback our servers to get vehicles back.

How many times must we say this?

[incus 2]

As of 1.7.2.5 Any vehicle/tent will not save that is a new spawn. Previous vehicles/tents will revert back to there last save from 1.7.2.4 after a restart/shut down. This is a know hive problem with connections to a 1.7.2.5 running server. It has been documented and in the bug section of the forums.

It seems your vehicle was one that was a fresh spawn after the server updated to 1.7.2.5

I recommend if you are trying to find a regular server to call home. To gather gear and store it. Rollback to 1.7.2.4 and find a server running it.