Dayz guns - what changes could guns use? My opinion.

[Cyanide_Power 2]

Introduction

Why I thought about gathering these ideas is because I saw people trying to get their idea through but it wasnt exactly what it "should" be. In means that they wanted to take out all sniper rifles because they can kill from 800m. I dont think thats fair to people who enjoy sniping. There actually are people who enjoy sniping without just being that kid who snipes in Elektro / Cherno and server hops. Its not about what you restrict, but how you do it. Either you restrict everything (bad) or you restrict some things and shed light on why just those and why are you keeping that. This post should be all about changes I think could help us carve a better world "out there".

I. Chapter - Taking stuff out

We need to face this, some stuff has to be taken out. Some stuff just doesnt "click" with this game setting.

Lets start with

Sniper Rifles

AS50/M107 - These sniper rifles, as far as I know would be rarely accessible to common people and are very powerfull. In my head, sniping should be an art. An art of precision, prediction and positioning. With this you dont need to get into any danger thanks to its perks. Effective range (The range you can shoot at when you are 100% positive it hits where you aim) is 1.2km, damage of these rifles is over the top versus people and versus vehicles. Vehicles should offer some sort of safety feeling. And you definitely shouldnt be rewarded for not hitting someone, as an example someone shoots abit lower, oh no problem he is just going to "spam" it and hit you in the leg and win. I know its not semi-automatic.

DMR/SVD - These sniper rifles are almost perfect in my eyes but, I never liked snipers with spam-options. Well, it may just be my opinion on this but I as I said I love sniping being more of an art, and noone likes art that was "rushed". It has to take some time and it has to impress part of the audience. If they would be as hard to find as SVD is, bring them.

Moving on to

Assault Rifles

L85A2 AWS - This gun is great in its specs and is awesome sounding, it should be in the game but! The optics, thermal optics... I dont really feel it in this game its absolutely unnecessary and too powerful against everyone else. I know, this game should be harsh etc. etc. But, I feel like this is just abit over the top, it is a great counter against Ghillies with their little AS50 but as I dont think that should be in this game either... I think you would agree that removing this would make a huge impact on firefights and engagements.

FN FAL ANPV S4 - Again im going to hate on the optics of the gun, even though, the gun itself is perfect. I know I shouldnt because NVGs but lets just move on, ill explain it later.

What about

Light Machine guns

Well, I personally feel like they shouldnt be in the game, because of their power. But if they would stay even if all of my changes would be executed, I wouldnt be mad at all because they have their ups and downs. And are rare enough to be considered not overpowered.

And lastly

Accessories

NVGs - Night vision goggles, do you really think we need them? It absolutely breaks the game when night time, and is mostly why people dont want to play at night. These devices are (I think) very rare in our society and most importantly are powered by batteries. I dont think batteries is the answer (because duplication is a common thing) I think they should be taken out just because it would add so much to the immersion and awesomeness to the game. Imagine a city where you would see people running around with their chemlights equipped, throwing some flares if they needed to. Imagine driving a car, with just your headlights. Try it sometimes, its just stunning. (FN FAL + NVGs falls here)

Range finders - Why? Too easy. Removal of rangefinders might just help balancing the sniper rifles among other direct changes to the armory we have at our disposal. Dont forget about the art, if you love playing this game, you love art. Art doesnt have to be just sniping.

Ghillie suits - I dont think they should be removed but, they could be. They wouldnt pose as much threat if you would just follow the visuals. Why? Because if you equip your ghillie you "lose" your backpack, well, you wouldnt have to lose it... Lets just limit it to czech vest - I found a way where 6slot czech vest is useful! yay! And why the czech vest? Because if you look at it, it would easily fit under the ghillie, it is not possible to carry a "secondary" primary in that backpack only your needs for survival (food, medical stuff). You could only have your sniper.

II. Chapter - Why not add something when taking stuff out?

I dont want to break the pattern so lets start with

Sniper Rifles

M40A3 - The more the merrier. Bolt-action.

Theres not much what we can add here so

Assault rifles

AK-74 GP-25 Kobra - Why not have some grenade launchers from Russia? We definitely need more of them, they are fun to use and kill with. Also they are fun to just have fun with them. :)

AKS-74 PSO - A competition to the M16 ACOQ is always good

AK-107 kobra, AK-107 PSO - Much rarer, better AKs? I feel like that would hit the right spot against all those Ms

G36 C, G36 C SD, G36 A (Dual sights - 3,5x and 1x), G36 K - Bit more variety? Yes please!

Mk16 CQC, Mk16 CCO SD, Mk16 CQC Holo

L85A2, L85A2 Holo, L85A2 ACOQ - But no thermal!

The amount of Assault rifles could make it that sniper rifles would be much more rare and all the combat would be way more exciting.

Pistols

Sa-61 - same thing as uzi, but a different gun.

When adding stuff why just stay at guns?

Old moto - A new motorcycle? Hell yes!

...Maybe the Arma 2: Army of Czech Republic will bring us more options?...

I think this summarizes what I had to write down, other than bring more map(s)! Now its up to you people to read through this (I know, its long) and give me some constructive comments.

// (What I used as a reference when looking at possible guns was This and This ) Sorry for any typos, English is not my main language.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Cyanide_Power

[BennyLikesIndians 4]

Dayz guns* - what changes could guns* use? My opinion.

[Tweakie 199]

Gonna go ahead and say, I would disagree with all these changes, except for the L85A2

[KnT47r 51]

No to chapter 1

Yes to chapter 2 with more civilian weapons added too

Edited August 2, 2012 by KnT47r

[euryale 72]

I disagree with removing anything. Specially the as-50 and the m107, now that the choppers are back. (even before, try to pin down an ural with your ak, I'm watching).

The removal suggestions suggest to me you've been sniped a lot / spotted with the l85 / can't find the stuff you want so you want it removed. Childish.

On the other hand, i'd like to see most of the guns you've named, except the scar & the g36 family.

[Tarkastio 38]

No to chapter 1

Yes to chapter 2 with more civilian weapons added too

^

I`m not even going to bother to make my own post.

[Cyanide_Power 2]

I disagree with removing anything. Specially the as-50 and the m107, now that the choppers are back. (even before, try to pin down an ural with your ak, I'm watching).

The removal suggestions suggest to me you've been sniped a lot / spotted with the l85 / can't find the stuff you want so you want it removed. Childish.

On the other hand, i'd like to see most of the guns you've named, except the scar & the g36 family.

Actually, I tried to keep it inteligent so YOU the guy who thinks everyone who doesnt like HIS OP guns and is scared to loose them doesnt show up. But you did. Well I dont personally use them but within my group we have L85, AS50 or M107. I do not consider them real weapons so I keep away from them.

[euryale 72]

so, the l85 has a thermal sight, and... god, it's all it has.

shitty stopping power, worst A-R accuracy... So basically it takes 10 slots in your backpack for a scouting object. Damn, that really is OP...

Also, they are not "overpowered. They exist in real life, yet i've never seen anybody on any battlefield whining because the other side has sniper / AM rifles / has thermal. Grow the hell up, this game is not about balance or what-so-ever. It is meant to be cruel, to be brutal... And to make you pay for your mistakes.

Oh, i'm interested in seeing what you call "real weapon". Cause if it is an AK kobra (or whatever is your choice), I can say that "if you had guts you'd play with a shotgun / a SMG". See where this is going?

[Cyanide_Power 2]

I get it, but every sane person I met agreed even upon having L85A2 AWS that it is overpowered.

I know what you mean about harshness and unfairness of the game I get it. Id just like to get some more action going. For me I guess action isnt laying down in a bush 800m away from my victim. I prefer the CQB, face to face contact. But as you could see I gave some reasoning and agreed that sniping is a fine art and should be kept a fine art.

And you cant tell me with a straight face that 15y.o. kids running about around elektro/cherno with duped AS50/M107 + L85s is an answer to "Someone needs to pay for their mistake". I know thats a really aggressive point but I killed those kind of guys, I despise of them and I encountered duping even in my group. Thats absolutely the worst kind of shit. Theres lots of people in these forums which are having troubles surviving their first 40 minutes every day. Im not one of them. But I feel for these guys and I hope some day we will resolve these issues and make it a better place, (A bit balance, no duping and a big items/vehicles wipe)

Edited August 2, 2012 by Cyanide_Power

[Densehavoc 1]

SIgh, more carebears whinning about getting sniped as usual. Snipers aren't going to get removed no matter how much you cry. Run in tree lines, stay away from peaks on hills, never go anywhere near cherno/elektro/other high pvp areas without scouting them first. Also snipers in general aren't exactly handed to you in spawn. They seem numerous now because of hackers but in reality they are hard to find in game.

Your post seems well thought out but I really couldn't care to read the rest past the suggested "remove snipers". If you are complaining that much about them than you havent used one because it's not like halo 2 sniping. It's actually got a fair amount of skill from finding a good spot that won't give you away as soon as you shoot your first shot to actually hitting your target.

[Cyanide_Power 2]

Densehavoc, "carebears" and "coulnt care to read the rest" hints at your inteligence level. I guess you dont know what immersion is. I actually wanted to bring some sniper rifles in aswell, well, yeah.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Cyanide_Power

[Densehavoc 1]

Your typo's are as well. Also, it seems you have nothing to say about my post's content and instead decided to insult my intelligence. I will just assume that you have no solid rebuttal.

But really, remove snipers? I guess you are going to call me a CoD babby next. Here's another reason why removing snipers is a bad idea: LMGs will all of a sudden appear in abundance because no way does an M16 or AK stand up to an LMG in medium to short range. Do we remove those as well? Don't you think if LMGs started getting overused that this game would feel more like an fps and less like a zombie apocalypse than it already does?

Oh wait you are a "real" man and only fight hand to hand...

Edited August 2, 2012 by Densehavoc

[Cyanide_Power 2]

Oh wait, I forgot, AS50 and M107 are the only snipers in the game (only those I really wanted taken out because of already written reasons). Enough said. Read the whole article and stop being a little butthurt :)

Edit: I never said remove sniper rifles.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Cyanide_Power

[Frozen (DayZ) 144]

i`m fine with removal of AM snipers and MGs, because absence of weight system, that affects weapon hading and mobility, makes them op.

[Densehavoc 1]

You know what, I was going to show you where you said you wanted to take them out but I really just don't care enough to get trolled right now.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Densehavoc

[Cyanide_Power 2]

Thank you for proving my point. :)

//The guy above me just copied first part of the chapter 1 regarding sniper rifles. He didnt get that I only wanted to really take out AM sniper rifles and was torn on DMR and SVD. Then I guess after realizing it, edited his post. Because he claimed I wanted to take out all the sniper rifles, thats unacceptable.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Cyanide_Power

[Densehavoc 1]

Thank you for proving my point. :)

I. Chapter - Taking stuff out

We need to face this, some stuff has to be taken out.

Lets start with

Sniper Rifles

AS50/M107 - These sniper rifles, as far as I know would be rarely accessible to common people and are very powerfull. In my head, sniping should be an art. An art of precision, prediction and positioning. With this you dont need to get into any danger thanks to its perks. Effective range (The range you can shoot at when you are 100% positive it hits where you aim) is 1.2km, damage of these rifles is over the top versus people and versus vehicles. Vehicles should offer some sort of safety feeling. And you definitely shouldnt be rewarded for not hitting someone, as an example someone shoots abit lower, oh no problem he is just going to "spam" it and hit you in the leg and win. I know its not semi-automatic.

DMR/SVD - These sniper rifles are almost perfect in my eyes but, I never liked snipers with spam-options. Well, it may just be my opinion on this but I as I said I love sniping being more of an art, and noone likes art that was "rushed". It has to take some time and it has to impress part of the audience. If they would be as hard to find as SVD is, bring them.

The parts is BOLD ITALIC AND UNDERLINED show where you say in your own post to remove snipers from the game.

The parts in different text colors are where you show that you don't snipe because "spamming" with any sniper is a good way to fail.

Guess I'm 'butthurt' for tearing your post apart.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Densehavoc

[Cyanide_Power 2]

I guess I need to say it directly. I name the guns I want to be taken out. I call sniping an art. Why is that for you "Taking all the snipers out"? Please explain that to me. And to the DMR/SVD, last sentence is "If they would be as hard to find as SVD is, bring them." Thats taking out sniper rifles!

Edited August 2, 2012 by Cyanide_Power

[Densehavoc 1]

Thank you for proving my point. :)

//The guy above me just copied first part of the chapter 1 regarding sniper rifles. He didnt get that I only wanted to really take out AM sniper rifles and was torn on DMR and SVD. Then I guess after realizing it, edited his post. Because he claimed I wanted to take out all the sniper rifles, thats unacceptable.

In that case, the only sniper left is the CZed 550 which is no more than a Lee Enfield with a scope and zero-ing. If you want to remove L85s, fine. I still think L85s are needed and are already pretty rare to begin with but what does that matter I guess.

[Densehavoc 1]

I guess I need to say it directly. I name the guns I want to be taken out. I call sniping an art. Why is that for you "Taking all the snipers out"? Please explain that to me. And to the DMR/SVD, last sentence is "If they would be as hard to find as SVD is, bring them." Thats taking out sniper rifles!

Snipers =! anything with a CCO/ACOG scope. Snipers are the following: CZed 550, DMR/M24, AS50, SVD, and M107.

[Cyanide_Power 2]

Indeed Sniper rifles in DayZ are CZ550, DMR, M24, SVD Camo and possibly M14 even though thats more of a battle rifle. That is, if we follow what I said about taking out those AMs. But what I also said is I wanted to bring a sniper rifle back, sadly, theres not much to choose from in Arma 2 only a stock SVD and M40A3. So If it would go my way you would only be missing one sniper rifle (Took out possibly 2 and brought 1 (2?) in). Case of the SVD and DMR is that I just wanted to express what I think about it and wanted to see the reaction of people. But all I got was flames. I guess sniper rifles are big touchy.

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

So, to summarize "Take out everything cool."

Yeah. No.

Get bent.

[Golgo82 28]

This reads to me like you want this game to be a special(your) way and therefore everyone else should be ok with that, am I wrong here?

Reducing Options in weaponry should not be rockets concern, especially not at this stage of development.

Increasing options on the other hand sounds about right.

It has been stated by Rocket before, that he is not interested in giving DayZ this gamey and stupid term "balance".

There is no "overpowered" or "unbalanced" in this game. Because there is no PvP in this game. There is only kill or be killed. There is no "I almost got killed but my healer patched me up and i threw a charged shot at him that critted for 4567 fire damage".

If you get shot you probably die. If you get shot by an Anti-Materiel rifle you should die.

If someone has better gear than you, they should be able to find/kill/rob you if you are (skill/travel-wise) unable to avoid them.

There is only a need to make sure, that there are only as much weapons in the game as have been spawned in a legit way by the game, therefore the only weapon/gear related change DayZ currently needs is to get rid of duping (unintentional as well as intentional) and scripting/hacking.

The next step to reduce the amount of "advanced weaponry" like .50cal rifles and weapons with thermal/night scopes is to increase the variety of weapons available in the game, as long as the number of loot spawns stays the same, there will be less of these specific weapons in circulation.

[Cloud (DayZ) 3]

In my opinion, it barely matters what guns do besides their damage because there are almost no shootouts whatsoever. In my case that is. I'd say I've had 120+ hours on this game and maybe 1-2 minutes of that total playtime was there a actual shootout.

Shootout: Two(+) players know each other's positions and shoot at each other.

Most PVP deaths (70-90%) are caused by killing somebody without the victim even knowing that the killer was even in his vicinity.