Remove high-tech tactical devices

[stepover12 12]

Hello,

The following high-tech devices should be removed from the game: thermal scopes, range finder, night vision goggles.

Why? There are two reasons:

- This game takes place in a post-apocalyptic world, modern warfare devices are just out of place here. Things should be improvised and manual. It's a survival game, not a high-tech warfare game.

- The game should be skill-dependent instead of gear-dependent: learn to range find using mil dots, train your eyes for target detection instead of having thermal scope do it for you. Thermal scope in particular makes a stealthy stalk near impossible: no matter how well camouflaged and how patiently you sneak, one thermal scan reveals everything. I think this item in particular takes away a lot from the game.

Feel free to comment or add to the suggestions.

[LeOverlord 150]

I recently acquired the thermal...

Yea I agree, it has made my life ridiculously easy...

However I believe NVGs and rangefinder's can stay...

I've yet to get rangefinders, and I've only gotten a handful of NVGs...

Rangefinder's are a nice break, anyways a good sniper should never have to use one...

It takes longer to zero if you have to pull it out and check, the mil-dot method is fast and on the fly...

And NVGs can be countered very easily, you ever see flares through those things..?

Edited July 30, 2012 by LeOverlord

[vsbriCk 2]

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[Bigtaff 23]

I feel the L85 should be taken out, its way over powered. People need to rely on themselves and not toys to do the dirty work. Also this is not a butthurt response to getting the wrong end of one, several guys in my team have them, I just think they are too much.

[Dimes123 60]

the 50 cal, the NVG, the thermal, and one might want to remove the guns from the helo. GPS might want to go too. how many sats gonna still be up after the end... and whos communicating with them anyway to keep them going.

[LeOverlord 150]

the 50 cal, the NVG, the thermal, and one might want to remove the guns from the helo. GPS might want to go too. how many sats gonna still be up after the end... and whos communicating with them anyway to keep them going.

Good point...

NVGs just need batteries, GPS systems need a little bit more maintenance...

Beans for you good sir...

[BobDole (DayZ) 129]

so youre saying if a zombie outbreak happened all the nvg and millions of thermal scopes in the world would just break or disappear? if they removed nvg night would be too easy for bandits and there is only one thermal scope gun in the game and its rare as hell ive never even seen one..i think nvg and stuff should be rarer though up to 5 heli crashes per server is alot..back to your point though those are US military crashed helis why wouldnt they have military guns? the airstrip should have more russian guns though instead of m16s and m4s..helis should be american gun loots.

[BobDole (DayZ) 129]

I feel the L85 should be taken out, its way over powered. People need to rely on themselves and not toys to do the dirty work. Also this is not a butthurt response to getting the wrong end of one, several guys in my team have them, I just think they are too much.

the L85 does shit for dmg also probably the rarest gun in the game ive yet to find one or see someone with one....yet ive found like 20 nv FALs

[Bigtaff 23]

the L85 does shit for dmg also probably the rarest gun in the game ive yet to find one or see someone with one....yet ive found like 20 nv FALs

The damage isnt the issue, finding snipers and or targets in the bushes is whats overpowered. As for never seeing one, from killing a couple of bandits and two crashed heli's we've had five in our possesion.

[Dimes123 60]

so youre saying if a zombie outbreak happened all the nvg and millions of thermal scopes in the world would just break or disappear? if they removed nvg night would be too easy for bandits and there is only one thermal scope gun in the game and its rare as hell ive never even seen one..i think nvg and stuff should be rarer though up to 5 heli crashes per server is alot..back to your point though those are US military crashed helis why wouldnt they have military guns? the airstrip should have more russian guns though instead of m16s and m4s..helis should be american gun loots.

most people dont have access to that NVG and even then most people dont know how to take care of them. and who has thermal anything other than police and military. (police dont really have that much either, the thermal that is). military guns would be found at crash sites, but you seem to forget this is a game that is based on the average person surviving. these items take the horror out of the game from which horror is a huge player. (keep in mind horror does not mean gore, it means fear). and it would be hard for bandits, not easier. if they had to use flares and glow sticks to do anything... might make them think harder about what they are about to do. thats if they can find you at all.

not sure if you put to much thought in your post. this isnt supposed to be a military sim anymore. its supposed to be SURVIVAL HORROR.

EDIT: i would also like to point out the batteries it would take to run them would disappear. making them nice paperweights.

Edited July 30, 2012 by Dimes123

[Vertisce 158]

Another noob crying for the removal of items he never gets to use. Just because the world has gone to shit does not mean that these military items magically dissapear from the world. Grow a set.

I have never even gotten to use a thermal. Doesn't mean I want them gone.

Since Dimes123 seems to think that "survival horror" means removal of certain items then I think we should remove every item from the game. Just run around with packs of zombies on you and see how long you live.

I say make this a true survival game and put in every single weapon, item or whatever you can possibly think of that exists in real life. It's still a simulator.

[BobDole (DayZ) 129]

most people dont have access to that NVG and even then most people dont know how to take care of them. and who has thermal anything other than police and military. (police dont really have that much either, the thermal that is). military guns would be found at crash sites, but you seem to forget this is a game that is based on the average person surviving. these items take the horror out of the game from which horror is a huge player. (keep in mind horror does not mean gore, it means fear). and it would be hard for bandits, not easier. if they had to use flares and glow sticks to do anything... might make them think harder about what they are about to do. thats if they can find you at all.

not sure if you put to much thought in your post. this isnt supposed to be a military sim anymore. its supposed to be SURVIVAL HORROR.

EDIT: i would also like to point out the batteries it would take to run them would disappear. making them nice paperweights.

im pretty sure you can go to walmart and buy a thermal scope so thats not that big of a deal and all bandits have to do is camp flares or wait for flares if i was in the airfield with nightvision and a sniper was watching it without it would be kinda hard for him to see me or anywhere else and wont give away my position..im not worried about bandits that move yeah they would have to use them but idk if you know but there are groups of people that just camp waiting for people just to get murders and its the easiest thing to snipe at night if some ones throwing flares. nv will help you survive and thermal helps you survive so you can see bandit snipers. everything in the game can be used for survival

[Dimes123 60]

Another noob crying for the removal of items he never gets to use. Just because the world has gone to shit does not mean that these military items magically dissapear from the world. Grow a set.

I have never even gotten to use a thermal. Doesn't mean I want them gone.

Since Dimes123 seems to think that "survival horror" means removal of certain items then I think we should remove every item from the game. Just run around with packs of zombies on you and see how long you live.

I say make this a true survival game and put in every single weapon, item or whatever you can possibly think of that exists in real life. It's still a simulator.

the point is it takes the horror from the game. you seem to like to make generalized statements. ive had these items, and been on the other end of them. i know what they do in terms of game experience

[BobDole (DayZ) 129]

i would agree batteries would be a good idea but they would just be unrealistic like the food and drink where you need to eat and drink every 10 minutes or you bleed to death.

they would probably have some dumb 10 minutes of batteries

[Dimes123 60]

you guys seem to forget the devs want to make a SURVIVAL HORROR game, not a military sim. once we get these items it moves away from the primary focus and back into what it was originally. they might as well put in jet fighters then. and if you really think this would end in zombies like this, you forget lots of people already own firearms and the zombies wouldnt get like this. the military would stomp down on it faster than a woman jumping on her chair at the sight of a rat.

[Dimes123 60]

Another noob crying for the removal of items he never gets to use. Just because the world has gone to shit does not mean that these military items magically dissapear from the world. Grow a set.

I have never even gotten to use a thermal. Doesn't mean I want them gone.

Since Dimes123 seems to think that "survival horror" means removal of certain items then I think we should remove every item from the game. Just run around with packs of zombies on you and see how long you live.

I say make this a true survival game and put in every single weapon, item or whatever you can possibly think of that exists in real life. It's still a simulator.

so what your saying is, you are making statements without ever having the item in question, so as to not know what it does for the game play... i see what you are saying, or lack there of

[BobDole (DayZ) 129]

you guys seem to forget the devs want to make a SURVIVAL HORROR game, not a military sim. once we get these items it moves away from the primary focus and back into what it was originally. they might as well put in jet fighters then. and if you really think this would end in zombies like this, you forget lots of people already own firearms and the zombies wouldnt get like this. the military would stomp down on it faster than a woman jumping on her chair at the sight of a rat.

i dont think you know what the devs want or they wouldnt have added them...

[badbenson (DayZ) 38]

very good idea! i totally agree. and people giving another of those bad ass speeches defending those high tech toys is just contradictive. you should just ignore people like Vertisce. he doesn't really have anything to say.

the problem here is not realism it's about balance and making gameplay and especially PvP more intresting.

one reason for the high number of those items are the hackers who destroy the balance created by the spawn probabilities. when dayz started NVGs were actually really rare.

in my opinion military weapons should be very rare and the ammo for them even more. that would maybe even stimulate trade a little bit.

[Dimes123 60]

i dont think you know what the devs want or they wouldnt have added them...

i might have a good idea considering i listen to and read the interviews. from rockets own mouth he wants a survival horror game. these items remove the horror

considering the landscape that has been chosen, (broken down everything with no power) lots of the items in question would either not work anymore or be so rare most people in the game wouldnt have working ones.... let alone the ammo we get seems to fall from the damn sky and who keeps refilling all the fuel tanks....

for reference on any of this see...

The Road

The Walking Dead

Dawn of the Dead (original)

Night of the Living Dead

The Book of Eli

Mad Max

The Postman

and the new show being made "revolution"

Edited July 30, 2012 by Dimes123

[le_petomane 4]

Like in Mad Max 2 where he has the sawn-off shotgun and a handful of (rare) cartridges.

Which makes me think. Stainless steel boomerang.....mmmm.

[Dimes123 60]

Like in Mad Max 2 where he has the sawn-off shotgun and a handful of (rare) cartridges.

Which makes me think. Stainless steel boomerang.....mmmm.

i forgot mad max, im gonna add it.

[MikeTupper 68]

theyre super rare so its fine. theyre endgame items

[Dimes123 60]

theyre super rare so its fine. theyre endgame items

it wouldnt be an issue in terms of endgame if people kept them in endgame, but they dont. its like playing wow and you get killed by a lvl 70 or something in the starter zone

[Rob1 (DayZ) 0]

Hello,

The following high-tech devices should be removed from the game: thermal scopes, range finder, night vision goggles.

Why? There are two reasons:

- This game takes place in a post-apocalyptic world, modern warfare devices are just out of place here. Things should be improvised and manual. It's a survival game, not a high-tech warfare game.

- The game should be skill-dependent instead of gear-dependent: learn to range find using mil dots, train your eyes for target detection instead of having thermal scope do it for you. Thermal scope in particular makes a stealthy stalk near impossible: no matter how well camouflaged and how patiently you sneak, one thermal scan reveals everything. I think this item in particular takes away a lot from the game.

Feel free to comment or add to the suggestions.

im pretty sure if there was a zombie apocalypse i could still find a gps and if i went to a military base (and i have on in my area) i would find caches of weapons and other high tech things. just saying zombies wouldst just make all that stuff disappear into mid air

[LeOverlord 150]

im pretty sure if there was a zombie apocalypse i could still find a gps and if i went to a military base (and i have on in my area) i would find caches of weapons and other high tech things. just saying zombies wouldst just make all that stuff disappear into mid air

Doesn't mean the GPS is going to work brah...