Permission to use this for Admin ease?

[mrzone 0]

Intro:

Hello, this thread was raised by me to adress a problem... hackes... all games have them and they are considerd a pest of the gaming world nobody likes them and they are looked at as zitty teenagers with a cracked voice in laughter as they ruin a good game of zombie hunting fun, for the sake of their own amusement... this has to stop! NOW!

I am here to propuse a series of suggestions to hopefully end this madness wich has ruined so many dayz servers, and med me personally quit playing the game!

The Problem:

Hackers are using a method of running client side scripts to spawn items and vehicles into the game and also using aimbots/ESP hacks to find supplies and players, killing them without them having a fair chance of defending themselves. This way that arma 2 is built makes hacking easy. Bypassing the protocol that sends a copy of all client side run scripts is easy! Im sorry to say that the only way to fix this problem with pure software is nearly or so hard that it is considered useless! This, however does not mean we should give up! Here i present: the solution

The Solution:

I am not a diehard fan of bohemia interactive, i started playing the games when arma 2 first came out, not making me a veteran, but i am experienced. I have a lot of friends in the biggest clan dedicated to Arma 2, the 7th cavalry. This clan was started in 2002 with the games they focused on was americas army (citation needed). They have about 400 active members and i believe about half of them are dedicated to arma 2. Wich means they have at leest 20 or so members who are veteran skilled bohemia interactive fans/players. And they have more experience in server hacking prevention in arma than most of us! We can only learn!

They use hands on players to admin their servers! They also use something called "RCon tool" wich is a powerful admin tool used to find hackers using the "old faction way" of detective work. They have in some rear cases also used something called "Lost Keys" wich is originally a mission debug tool, but its features can be used in admining. (teleporting to hackers, god mode so hackers cant kill you while admining). I am taking into consideration that these tools should be restricted to ADMIN USE ONLY! and that the exploit of the tools should result in a Dayz ban and server blacklist! But on the other side a exploit of the tool is much better as it is about 2-3 admins per server, and the chance of them exploiting is smaller than a chance on a hacker ruining and emptying an entire server!

Please devs! Considers this as me trying to help! NOT doing your job!

Please, community share your taughts!

Edited July 29, 2012 by sanderhh

[outcast569 4]

I would never surrport a server with those for "admins", too much abuse has been showen on their parts. Yes its a minority but its enough to ruin the experiance of players more.

[christopher.hill449@gmail.com 314]

Dont get me started on 7th Cav...

[mrzone 0]

Dont get me started on 7th Cav...

You cant deny that they have experience! Even tho you do not agree with the way they are running their servers?

[East Clintwood 30]

As an Admin, this is totally useless. there is no reason for teleport and god mode, we have consoles and ample logs to use to combat hackers. This would only make the problems worse.

[mrzone 0]

As an Admin, this is totally useless. there is no reason for teleport and god mode, we have consoles and ample logs to use to combat hackers. This would only make the problems worse.

You did not read the part where i said that they bypass the logging? And the only way to find the hackers is by finding them? id like you to find a hacker by looking at the logs of... normal behavior... Hope you read the ENTIRE post before you make dumb accusations like that. I guess US 734 must be a fun place as Admins must walk the entire way from the south to the north to see and record a hacker who is having a blast in a modified AC130... Or maybe you guys just ban/kick people because 12 year old jimmy who calls out hacker and aimbot every time he gets shot by a hunting rifle from the fire station in the airfield?

Lets be realistic here: Arma 2 is full of security gaps, very wide ones! And if not bohemia is coming up with a security patch soon, well then it looks like the admins would have to do the dirty works themselves! DayZ is crawling with hackers... It look to me that you would rather play safe that doing an effort to stop them. After all... we could just do a test period! The mod is in alpha, testing time is now!

[jetao2008@hotmail.com 175]

That's why community hosted servers are so bad.

After some time playing the game i would give anything to have studio hosted servers, i'm tired of admins abusing their powers and without the proper knowledge to kick/ban correctly, causing a huge mess everywhere.

How many times i saw servers restarting and i couldn't join right away because they just lock the servers for around 30 minutes just to find the good stuff before anyone else.

Hackers with so many tools and ways to screw the game that they even kill the admins, leaving them sometimes with their hands tied.

I would rather pay a monthly fee to have servers hosted by the developers so we could end this crap for good.

I know this won't happen, of course, but let's hope we have proper anti-cheat measures when the full game gets released.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Fenrig

[East Clintwood 30]

Wow, do you always rage that hard at people who make a single criticizing comment in your suggestion thread? I know our resources aren't the best and there ARE ways around the logs, but how does teleporting and godmode solve anything except give people more tools to abuse, it's basically fighting fire with fire, it may work in a few cases, but in the end, many innocents are gonna get burned.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Supplement

[mrzone 0]

Wow, do you always rage that hard at people who make a single criticizing comment in your suggestion thread? I know our resources aren't the best and there ARE ways around the logs, but how does teleporting and godmode solve anything except give people more tools to abuse, it's basically fighting fire with fire, it may work in a few cases, but in the end, many innocents are gonna get burned.

Classifying that as a rage would be highly excessive wording...

We could compere this to the BP oil spill, its a huge problem that no-one knew how to fix, but they tried... and after trail and error they succeeded! From my point of view it looks like you are just poking the problem with a stick, trying to use a normal household vacum to suck up all the millions of liter of oil, even tho the tools you use might work, it sill like is trying to catching vapor. Admins are in some cases assholes, but as Fenrig states, it is impossible (as in not ever going to change) that you will find bad Admins when ALL the servers are run by a community. Big blockbuster games like battlefield and Call of Duty can handle this as they have people making advanced anti cheat software with big consequences, we need to replace the computer with the brain of a human, as the security issues in Arma 2 is HUGE. I did not really have a problem with hackers on Arma2 before DayZ but a big "game" attracts smart people, what these smart people uses their skills to do, is completely up to them. That underlines my point of how servers need to get better admins, good admins are no good if they do not have the tools to support them! Millions of liters of oil is possible to fix if you do it tough trail and error, and if you at the same time use the right equipment!

[teknotel 26]

This is ridiculous. It is like no one really cares about hacking. If you spent 4 or 5 hours a day playing with friends and the fun was just ruined by people who can do whatever they wan't I think you would understand. You find a car... They find you and kill you. You go player hunting... And a hacker kills you all immediately. Where is the fun in the game? If this was just an every now and then occurrence then fair enough, but it is happening all the time. From what I have read on the forum people seemed more bothered about disconnect abuse and the power of server admins (the people who decide to spend 30-50 of their money to host a game they love playing). I really don't get the attitude of people. I can't see where your coming from in any way, makes no sense.

[drmayhemmd 0]

Intro:

Hello, this thread was raised by me to adress a problem... hackes... all games have them and they are considerd a pest of the gaming world nobody likes them and they are looked at as zitty teenagers with a cracked voice in laughter as they ruin a good game of zombie hunting fun, for the sake of their own amusement... this has to stop! NOW!

I am here to propuse a series of suggestions to hopefully end this madness wich has ruined so many dayz servers, and med me personally quit playing the game!

The Problem:

Hackers are using a method of running client side scripts to spawn items and vehicles into the game and also using aimbots/ESP hacks to find supplies and players, killing them without them having a fair chance of defending themselves. This way that arma 2 is built makes hacking easy. Bypassing the protocol that sends a copy of all client side run scripts is easy! Im sorry to say that the only way to fix this problem with pure software is nearly or so hard that it is considered useless! This, however does not mean we should give up! Here i present: the solution

The Solution:

I am not a diehard fan of bohemia interactive, i started playing the games when arma 2 first came out, not making me a veteran, but i am experienced. I have a lot of friends in the biggest clan dedicated to Arma 2, the 7th cavalry. This clan was started in 2002 with the games they focused on was americas army (citation needed). They have about 400 active members and i believe about half of them are dedicated to arma 2. Wich means they have at leest 20 or so members who are veteran skilled bohemia interactive fans/players. And they have more experience in server hacking prevention in arma than most of us! We can only learn!

They use hands on players to admin their servers! They also use something called "RCon tool" wich is a powerful admin tool used to find hackers using the "old faction way" of detective work. They have in some rear cases also used something called "Lost Keys" wich is originally a mission debug tool, but its features can be used in admining. (teleporting to hackers, god mode so hackers cant kill you while admining). I am taking into consideration that these tools should be restricted to ADMIN USE ONLY! and that the exploit of the tools should result in a Dayz ban and server blacklist! But on the other side a exploit of the tool is much better as it is about 2-3 admins per server, and the chance of them exploiting is smaller than a chance on a hacker ruining and emptying an entire server!

Please devs! Considers this as me trying to help! NOT doing your job!

Please, community share your taughts!

Now if you could only learn to spell.... and for the record youngster, the BP oil spill has never been "Fixed". Oil still constantly plagues the Gulf Region. You should stick to your homework....

Edited September 23, 2012 by velasdad