I made an updated weapon chart on gdocs

[Redshift 58]

I doubt the game has muzzle velocity incorporated also, just like it doesnt really include the effects of ammo types. Otherwise the M16 would be a 1 shot kill, its ammo is specifically designed to "tumble" once it hits a body creating a corridor of trauma a mile wide that takes you out of the fight pretty much wherever it hits you.

[Dagyr 16]

Figured this is worth a bump.

[AusDayZ (DayZ) 14]

Awesome was looking for something like this, cheers

[U.B.C.S. Ravin 326]

Requesting Sticky. Excellent Thread.

[Izviral 50]

Requesting Sticky. Excellent Thread.

Well thank you :)

[U.B.C.S. Ravin 326]

Add link to this page to my loot farming page at http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/27471-how-to-farm-loot-a-guide-to-collecting-what-you-want/

[xximrtwoixx 104]

I doubt the game has muzzle velocity incorporated also, just like it doesnt really include the effects of ammo types. Otherwise the M16 would be a 1 shot kill, its ammo is specifically designed to "tumble" once it hits a body creating a corridor of trauma a mile wide that takes you out of the fight pretty much wherever it hits you.

Thats why the military is trying to move away from .223/5.56, because its so great.

IRL its to much of a "utility" round to really be usefull, its to fast and small for ranges >100m, ie it goes so fast it doesn't have a chance to tumble and thus entire clips are used to put someone down close range. Its also to light to be used past 200m as its stopping power greatly degrades because of its size and this also leads to problems with accuracy.

This is why 6.8 has emerged and is widely used, or why many rifles are again chambered in 7.62x51 or .308 again.

[von luckner 0]

Thats why the military is trying to move away from .223/5.56, because its so great.

IRL its to much of a "utility" round to really be usefull, its to fast and small for ranges >100m, ie it goes so fast it doesn't have a chance to tumble and thus entire clips are used to put someone down close range. Its also to light to be used past 200m as its stopping power greatly degrades because of its size and this also leads to problems with accuracy.

This is why 6.8 has emerged and is widely used, or why many rifles are again chambered in 7.62x51 or .308 again.

Patently incorrect

5.56x45 has exceptional terminal ballistics considering the size- because of the high muzzle velocity and specific bullet design, rounds not only tumble, but also fragment leaving a large permanent cavity (there are some extremely graphic pictures of 55gr. ball wounds out that will quite adequately illustrate how deadly 5.56x45 is). By contrast, most other FMJ rounds, such as 5.45x39, 7.62x39, or 7.62x51 only tumble. The mechanism of injury with these other rounds is predominantly a temporary cavity caused by the shock of the bullet passing through a largely liquid medium. For rounds as powerful as 7.62x51 this is substantial, and can cause significant damage to vital organs, but for less powerful, steel-jacketed Russian ammo, such as M43 or M74, the results can be much less impressive. It is not unheard of for 7.62x39 to pass clean through without much secondary damage at all.

The controversy surrounding 5.56x45 results from the accurate reports that out of a carbine-length barrel (M4 variants), muzzle velocity drops off too quickly, and as a result M855 ball ammunition will not fragment reliably beyond 100m. This has been especially important in some of the regions of Afghanistan. The reason the controversy is so senseless is because all it means is that the 5.56x45 is vastly more effective at close ranged (<300-100m) than all other intermediate service cartridges in general use today (meaning 5.45x39, 7.62x39, and probably at least comparable to 5.8x42), and just "on par" beyond that.

I will add that replacing 5.56x45 with 6.8 SPC has never been on the table, all indications are that not even special forces units have considered adopting these new 'boutique' calibers (niether the HK416/417, nor the SCAR platform are available in any non-nato caliber)- this is purely, and I mean PURELY a product of gun rags trying to sell new AR-15 components. US forces have reacted to the controversy surrounding the 5.56x45 in two major ways- first by supplementing normal infantry units with increased usage of designated marksmen equipped with modernized M14s, and second by developing and adopting the M855A1 and 77 gr. Mk. 262 cartridges, both of which offer much better performance at range than the standard M855 ball.

Please note the fragments of lead and copper jacket.

[xximrtwoixx 104]

I do agree as I stated that 5.56 is effective within a range window, I think its >100 <200 you say 300.

I think 5.45 v 5.56 is also debated, the hollow cavity in 5.45 is proven to generate tumble, usually 2 full rotations within the confines of the body, the second slower tumble generating the the permenent exit wound usually.

I also agree that when 5.56 fractures it increases the damage deliverd, but you can't depend on this reliably. Also the most common cartridge actually carried is the M995 AP round, and this has generated countless stories and complaints against the round because no fragment means a clean exit and an opponent that is still able to shoot back. Also this "fracturing" limits the rounds ability to penetrate targets such as Windshield glass, body panels, walls, etc. and still deliver energy to the target. This in turn makes the round less effective on the battlefield and thats what really counts not a bunch of ballistics or gel tests.

I am also not saying any bullet isn't deadly or capable of delivering wounds/damage that would kill or incapacitate someone.

I am simply saying that 5.56 is not the end all be all of rounds as Redshift made it out to be.

I will add that replacing 5.56x45 with 6.8 SPC has never been on the table, all indications are that not even special forces units have considered adopting these new 'boutique' calibers (niether the HK416/417, nor the SCAR platform are available in any non-nato caliber)- this is purely, and I mean PURELY a product of gun rags trying to sell new AR-15 components. US forces have reacted to the controversy surrounding the 5.56x45 in two major ways- first by supplementing normal infantry units with increased usage of designated marksmen equipped with modernized M14s, and second by developing and adopting the M855A1 and 77 gr. Mk. 262 cartridges, both of which offer much better performance at range than the standard M855 ball.

I don't know what you read but from what I've read, watched, or heard alot of SF have switched to using 6.8 or 6.5 they function better suppressed and offer better balistics on the 10" to 14" barreled M4's they use. They also carry energy much better than a 5.56 and because their BC is better than a 7.62 they almost rival it at range. I don't really consider them 'boutique' or wild cats any more as they are both SAAMI certified rounds, as this has recently happened it is the first step toward mass production/usage. I don't think that because two guns that will never replace the black rifle are not made to accept a round ootb really means anything. The beauty of both the 6.8 and 6.5 is that conversion from a 5.56 rifle is fairly easy. I do agree that the military has addressed issues with 5.56 in open terrain by equiping rifles chambered in 7.62 thats why I said it. This is more or less a stop gap, changing standard rounds accross all branches would likely only occur if all NATO countries were on board and frankly there is to much money and infrastructure around current equipment that this may never change. This doesn't mean SF or other small units won't be equiped with non standard equipment, or develop their own standard equipment. And here is something about the M855A1. (Gun Rag!!)

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/03/07/m855a1-should-it-be-the-new-round-for-soldiers-and-marines/

Personally when SHTF I will have my AR10 (.308/7.62) because that is the round that will put people down, there is a reason you can't/don't hunt with .223/5.56, because it doesn't knock things down. Its kind of messed up to say but look at CO shooting how many wounded lived there, largley due to heroic efforts and expertise displayed by first responders, if that guy had an ar10 instead of 15 it would have been alot worse.

[Udak 104]

I doubt the game has muzzle velocity incorporated also, just like it doesnt really include the effects of ammo types. Otherwise the M16 would be a 1 shot kill, its ammo is specifically designed to "tumble" once it hits a body creating a corridor of trauma a mile wide that takes you out of the fight pretty much wherever it hits you.

Ask anyone in the military and they'll tell you to keep shooting 'till you see their soles (of their shoes). 5.56 is not an effective round to 1-shot a human being with. I can't speak to what SF does, but they have their own acquisitions process.

edit: Apologies to Mr Two, my own experience was eastern afghanistan where you are rarely engaged at less than 400m.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Udak

[Izviral 50]

bump

[maxim_pl 9]

That's a nice chart. It is still up to date? :beans:

[Golgo82 28]

I doubt the game has muzzle velocity incorporated also, just like it doesnt really include the effects of ammo types. Otherwise the M16 would be a 1 shot kill, its ammo is specifically designed to "tumble" once it hits a body creating a corridor of trauma a mile wide that takes you out of the fight pretty much wherever it hits you.

Yes there is Muzzle Velocity ingame but it is dependant on the cartridge fired, not the weapon.

The M16 series is chambered for 5.56x45mm Nato rounds, exactly the same thing the M4 series fires. Overall all Hollowpoint ammunition is designed to tumble/deform when hitting tissue to maximize trauma - that still doesnt mean its a one shot kill. Especially the case in this game where calibre states how much damage a weapon does.

Very nice job. Helpful until the weapon damage bugs get fixed, which wil hopefully be soon.

What weapon damage bugs? are you talking about the patched small calibre damage values from the last Arma2 Betapatch? These arent bugs..they are intended "fixes"

[DeepEuphoria 69]

First off, awesome chart dude, big multipack of beans for you :) But I have a couple of questions if I may, please forgive my ignorance I am VERY new to DayZ.

#1 - How much extra damage do you inflict with a headshot, is it for example (Damage multiplied x5) or does it depend on the weapon??

#2 - I watched a friend of mine play last week I think it was and he was using the M1911 pistol and I'm sure I saw him 1 shoting zombies in the chest, I'm sure he wasn't getting headshots but the chart says 3 shots for a zombie, were my eyes deceiving me??? :-\ n00b derp derp player confused LOL

[Occy 7]

http://dayzdb.com/database/weapon-comparison

This one has been up forever now...

[WildLeon 18]

https://public.sheet.zoho.com/public/eddebaby/dayz-weapon-table?mode=html

while unfortunately it has no pictures it shows attachments, whether it has zeroing, and where you can find the item as a "loot building"