Controversial Topic: BANDITRY IS DEAD.

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

it seems like banditry is less and less what it should be.

have you ever noticed that people aren't robbing anybody anymore? by this i mean, (i wasn't around for this, but in the past this happened apparently) instead of shooting you for your stuff, the bandits wouldn't kill you, but instead hold you at gunpoint, tell you to drop your stuff, and leave.

take this video for example:

not once in almost a month of playing has this ever happened, or have i seen/heard this happen. now, if a bandit wants your stuff, they shoot you, and that's the end of it. where is the ultra-realism that i was promised in this game? this is one of the many videos i watched before buying arma 2 and playing dayz, and i was really excited for this. not that i wanted to be robbed, but i thought that if this kind of stuff happened, then it was definitely a worthwhile experience. now, dayz is STILL a worthwhile experience, and i already recommended it to all of my friends, but it seems like i didn't quite get what i was promised. no more bandits, just mass murderers. so much for realism. (and no, don't say mass murderers are realistic, because in a zombie apocalypse, why would the entire human race wipe each other out, rather than trying to restore the population? why would we just shoot each other point blank?)

or what's worse than the bandits, is the "abort" button abusers. now, both parties are guilty for the inability to rob someone. if someone's being robbed, what happens? BOOM. alt + F4, they're gone, they go to a new server, they're safe. come on.

some people don't even kill you for your stuff, they just kill you because they want to. take notice; this isn't a complaint post, this is merely a speculation post. i could care less if banditry exists or not, but i think it's sad that we've gone from this ultra-realistic zombie apocalypse with robbers and gangs and all of that to this mindless graveyard. killing someone for their stuff is still messed up, but at least you get SOMETHING out of it, rather than not even bothering with taking their stuff. it's like hunting animals, just for the hell of it. WHY? if you want to hunt things, then go try out this game:

http://www.amazon.co...ds=hunting

homocidal players, please stop. if you kill someone, the very least you could do is take their stuff, rather than kill them for no reason. if someone does a robbery at gunpoint, good for you. i haven't seen this. good for you for wanting someone's stuff, but not being so demented that you'll blast them in the face because "it's a game and there are no consequences" yeah? well make up your own consequences.

yes, we all f***ing get it that there is no consequence for player killing. i already said that, non-post-readers. the point is that we should return to the way things were, where this kind of douchbaggery didn't exist.

remember: THIS IS NOT A COMPLAINT POST, BUT RATHER A SPECULATION POST.

(how many views does this thread have!? OVER 9000!!!)

Edited July 26, 2012 by omgwtfbbq

[Garthilk 4]

I agree with a lot of your observations and postulate that it is only going to get worse.

[Techercizer 82]

Nobody's going to hold you at gunpoint so your overwatch can snipe them, or so you can just abort, run into the trees, log back, and open fire. Holding people up just isn't feasible in the current environment; it's too full of often-exploited mechanics that allow someone to completely avoid danger.

Edited July 15, 2012 by Techercizer

[Targeter_NL 39]

I agree, killing just for 'teh lulz' is stupid.

[DaveAzoicer (DayZ) 135]

Do want to see more brain in the bandits indeed.

[grizzle 21]

Agreed. Muggings and non-lethal ambushes make PvP exciting. Anonymous killing for shits and giggles adds nothing to the game.

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

wow, i'm truly surprised that someone isn't already bashing their face against their keyboard saying OMFGYUSAYTHATILOVEKILLINGPEOPLEITSOFUNURGAYIFYOUDON'TKILLPEOPLETROLLOLOHRUDRDRUDRHURRRDDRRRRRR

[CrossShade 4]

OP, not only is that extremely fishy as to the authenticity of the video, you state things like this etc, when this is the only heard example of this actually happening with a source.

You're providing an inversely proportional source to the actual happenings and trying to prove a point with it.

A terrible method to go in with.

[zkai1 1]

Banditry is dead. As you noticed its just Massmurder left.

I hoped for more then that in this game but in the last few weeks it changed alot. And I changed aswell or my behaviour.

I hope it will change again when a friend of me joins the game, so I can trust someone in this game.

[cas_ 20]

We all want this kind of banditry but the way things are with alt+f4/abort its never going to happen atm. a fix for DCers will be like a new game

[Cerven 80]

We all want this kind of banditry but the way things are with alt+f4/abort its never going to happen atm. a fix for DCers will be like a new game

This. If and when I need to rob somebody, I'm taking a calculated risk as it is. If I put myself in harms way and you alt-f4 out, I've exposed myself and gotten nothing to show for it. Once that's fixed, I'll be perfectly ok with robbing someone at gunpoint rather than just blasting them.

[Vylent 0]

There is only one fix to make this kind of game play good quality fun and balanced. If you shoot someone up it puts a debuff on them so if they die within the time period 50% of their stuff is deleted. You know... as if it had been jacked up from all the bullets put into it and what not. It gives people a reason to be actual "Bandits" and not just trigger happy pole smokers.

also, make it so that characters linger in game for 15 seconds after logging out or alt+f4. Maybe put an icon over the characters head to let you know they are being scrub and trying to log out.

Edited July 15, 2012 by Vylent

[Yeung-Jin 28]

No one mugs because they get killed if they try. I don't know why you'd post a video that only shows why it's stupid not to shoot on site. If those muggers had just shot him, then one of them wouldn't be dead now. And stop complaining. If you think in the event of a real world apocalypse everyone would be holding hands and singing kumbaya then you better hope the apocalypse never happens. I will play this game how I want to, thank you very much.

[jihn 0]

Would not mind if there was some sort of debuff for killing other players, increased zombie awareness, or more zombies flocking to the location to investigate.

I find it a little appaling when attempting to gather some supplies(getting bigger backpack at a supermaket etc), when i get to the area and find people just sat on roofs for the sole purpose of killing you.

Not to gather supplies themselves, but killing everyone else who is making a shot at it.

At the same time, i am playing on norwegian servers currently, and have only ran into other people two times that have not just shot me down on sight(this despite me having a mic, and yelling out friendly). Personally id rather not shoot first, and then ask questions later, but sadly that appears to be what you should do at the moment if you are going solo.

Still, im very much for players being able to kill eachother, and would not change that for anything in the world. Its possibly what makes this game so great. But it does feel like you should get into an organized group from the get go(sort something with other players on a forum etc). And then proceed to exploring and attempting to progress within the game.

I am still a rather new to this game however, and have lots of places to explore and go. Not to mention, a ton of things to learn.

[bassist05 69]

This. If and when I need to rob somebody, I'm taking a calculated risk as it is. If I put myself in harms way and you alt-f4 out, I've exposed myself and gotten nothing to show for it. Once that's fixed, I'll be perfectly ok with robbing someone at gunpoint rather than just blasting them.

The way it is currently even shooting someone is exposing yourself with getting no reward, since they just d/c even if you manage to kill them and there body will poof.

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

There is only one fix to make this kind of game play good quality fun and balanced. If you shoot someone up it puts a debuff on them so if they die within the time period 50% of their stuff is deleted. You know... as if it had been jacked up from all the bullets put into it and what not. It gives people a reason to be actual "Bandits" and not just trigger happy pole smokers.

it's a tricky situation, because finding a balance without giving an unnecessary punishment is difficult for rocket.

[Cerven 80]

I haven't had people d/c AFTER I've killed them, actually. I've wounded people who've then DCed, sure.

[omgwtfbbq (DayZ) 1069]

No one mugs because they get killed if they try. I don't know why you'd post a video that only shows why it's stupid not to shoot on site. If those muggers had just shot him, then one of them wouldn't be dead now. And stop complaining. If you think in the event of a real world apocalypse everyone would be holding hands and singing kumbaya then you better hope the apocalypse never happens. I will play this game how I want to, thank you very much.

well, you clearly didn't read the post, or watch the video.

1. the person they were robbing was killed, and it was their (the person being robbed) fault for being killed, as he took a risk in killing one of them, but in the end, it led to his own death.

2. you clearly did not read the giant message at the end of the post, in bold, capitalized, and underlined, dumbass.

[Flojstrup 2]

You can clearly see why people don't rob people like that anymore. If you just kill the person, there will not be any risks for the robber. In the video the robber get's killed because they gave the victim a second to react.

[Cerven 80]

it's a tricky situation, because finding a balance without giving an unnecessary punishment is difficult for rocket.

Why exactly does there need to be a 'balance', again?

The balance is going to come in the order of humanity, when the system is released. Arguably, robbing someone will have little to no effect on your humanity, whereas murdering someone will.

[Vylent 0]

There is no punishment.... It adds a different style of play. Its not like its going to completely stop people from killing on sight. It will however add MORE realism(seems to be rockets fav thing) aswell as lower the douchebaggery going on atm. Also imo my idea is completely balanced. Its not going to give anyone an unfair advantage and you will be dead so its not like you have some lasting negative effect.

[Yeung-Jin 28]

well, you clearly didn't read the post, or watch the video.

1. the person they were robbing was killed, and it was their (the person being robbed) fault for being killed, as he took a risk in killing one of them, but in the end, it led to his own death.

2. you clearly did not read the giant message at the end of the post, in bold, capitalized, and underlined, dumbass.

I did read it. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's a duck, whether or not you say it is. And yeah, the muggee got killed, but so did one of the muggers, which could have been prevented if they had just shot him.

Edited July 15, 2012 by Yeung-Jin

[Snort (DayZ) 340]

Bandits that kill on sight are complete cowards. While I don't have a problem with them doing this I feel there are much more interesting ways to do this. I don't often shoot innocents unless they begin to pose a threat, I usually rob them and break their limbs to render them helpless while I take what I wish. Unfortunately there isn't always a lot of insentive to do this as it requires a lot less effort to just shoot you...but frankly I find it more fun to torture them.

I'm usually kind-ish about it. I remember one time in a firehouse there was a guy facing a wall, I went up and told him to drop his fucking gun. If he turns I'll blow his balls on the walls. He dropped his weapons, I put them in my backpack and then broke his legs and bandaged him so he wouldn't die on me. I took everything that I wanted out of his backpack then said I was going to drop morphine on the other side of the fire house so he could fix his legs. I didn't tell him but I dropped his guns at the door with 1 mag each for them so he wouldn't be completely defenseless.

I feel this method is much more entertaining that just shooting people and killing them.

[Cerven 80]

Deleting potential loot drops is a punishment, no matter how you slice it. I appreciate that you're trying to paint a brush of realism across it, but that argument is invalid. What if I shoot him once in the head? All of his gear should be intact then, right?

If you decide to rob somebody, it should be because you CHOOSE to, not because the game is forcing you by making it the more efficient way.

[DaveAzoicer (DayZ) 135]

No one mugs because they get killed if they try. I don't know why you'd post a video that only shows why it's stupid not to shoot on site. If those muggers had just shot him, then one of them wouldn't be dead now. And stop complaining. If you think in the event of a real world apocalypse everyone would be holding hands and singing kumbaya then you better hope the apocalypse never happens. I will play this game how I want to, thank you very much.

I knew one of you would come here.

No one have said that we should hold hands and sing songs.

More that the current situation is that bandits ONLY shoots to kill. There's no "banditry" only deathmatching (basicly), you see someone, you kill them.

In a real world zombie apocalypse that wouldn't happen, unless you wanted to die within a short time too.