DMR is more common than M24?

[void.false@gmail.com 300]

How comes that spawn rate of DMR is rare while the M24's one is very rare?

DMR has:

Huge magazine

High rate of fire

Zoomable scope so it is effective at mid-range and long range.

While M24 has

Very low rate of fire

Very small magazine size

No zoom on the scope.

Yesterday I've found a DMR in a deerstand FFS. I've been playing Dayz for more than a month but found M24 only once. I think that DMR's spawn rate should be decreased to very rare as NVGs because it's pretty OP rifle and it is ridiculous that everybody is running with it. At the same time the spawn rate of M24 should be increased to 'rare' because it seems very unlogical that this balanced (as opposed to OP) rifle spawns so rarely.

[Guest]

I agree... then again a lot of things in the loot system need tinkering :P.

[EnermaX 59]

I don't see any point in using the M24 neither. +1

[RedFiction12 6]

Forget the rest and go for SVD Camo :), but yeah M24 is pointless if you have both

[thetamsen 57]

I like your post. But you should really post it in 'suggestions' instead, otherwise we're just all agreeing on something that's less likely to be read by a mod/dev.

I don't want to take credit for it, so you go ahead and copy/paste it =)

[Bash Arkin 266]

I honestly perfer the M24, but i think i'm alittlie bias on it having owned one in the past. But i find more M24 ammo more then anything else in military areas. Could be part of why the gun its self is rare?

[The_Monk 320]

I like the M24, I use it to hunt cherno snipers.

[Macenzie 79]

DMR is superior to the M24 in every way.

[Katana67 2907]

Should just be tweaked a little.

I've been playing for two months and have yet to find an M24. I've found countless DMR's in that time though, three in three subsequent deer stands in a row on one day.

Anywho, I don't think the M24 should be removed. M24 needs to be more common and the DMR needs to be rarer, ammunition included. DMR Mags are EVERYWHERE.

[Blizzaze 5]

DMR has no proper zeroing, using mildots to zero is pretty inaccurate.

I prefer the M24 all the way - Why would you even need a semi automatic sniper rifle when the M24 is oneshot-kill to the head.

Not to mention the M24 is just a classic and badass gun.

Btw, you can turn DMR mags into M24 mags. So the "DMR ammo is more common" arguement is pointless.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Blizzaze

[Izithel 23]

The DMR is indeed way more common then the M24, and considering the advantages of the DMR over the M24 I believe their loot chance has to be switched.

I've only had a M24 twice and both times I replaced them with an DMR or something even better down the line.

[Mercator 30]

The DMR is a designated marksman rifle and as such a lot more common than the specialized M24. The latter is still better than the former at engaging at large distances. Ofcourse for most people the fact that it is semi-auto and carries a 20 round clip, obviously makes it a much better gun than the real sniper rifle. But if you use the M24 for what it's intended, it's one shot kill capability and accuracy at +800m is significantly better than the DMR.

[Kommissar Pinky 11]

I personally love the M24, Its sleek design and profile. Its Mil-Dots allow easy range distinction. And it small clip size reminds you to fire and move. With the DMR I feel like i would stay in one place too long.

[Marsunpaisti 0]

Currently the M24's only advantage is a bit better accuracy. However because its bolt action most people manage to disconnect once they have been shot once because it doesnt deal enough damage. It should be buffed in some way, such as body shots causing a knockout every time so people can't just DC once they get hit.

[Doc_Wreckshop 18]

Obviously not a Military bone in anyone's body in this thread.

Yes the DMR has a higher round count, semi-automatic and has a 2 x zoom with the scope. There is no Zeroing with the DMR rifle, all guestimate if you have a range-finder or a noob server. AND after 400-500 meters the damage effects reduces, because the bullet slows down and you have to fire server times at a guessed range.

The M24 has a 5 round count and being bolt action. It has a 1x zoom scope but zooms further than the DMR. IT does have a zeroing for far targets. I think (correct me if I am wrong) up to 1,000m-1200m? Meaning if you have a range finder and your target is 1,000m away all you have to do is (PAGE UP) to zeroing meter till you are on 1,000. Put cross hair dead center on target, badah-bing-badah-boom.

I like both weapons but 1 shot is better than several at a far target, and or moving.

I would pick the M24 over the DMR.

DOC out

[Blizzaze 5]

Obviously not a Military bone in anyone's body in this thread.

Yes the DMR has a higher round count, semi-automatic and has a 2 x zoom with the scope. There is no Zeroing with the DMR rifle, all guestimate if you have a range-finder or a noob server. AND after 400-500 meters the damage effects reduces, because the bullet slows down and you have to fire server times at a guessed range.

The M24 has a 5 round count and being bolt action. It has a 1x zoom scope but zooms further than the DMR. IT does have a zeroing for far targets. I think (correct me if I am wrong) up to 1,000m-1200m? Meaning if you have a range finder and your target is 1,000m away all you have to do is (PAGE UP) to zeroing meter till you are on 1,000. Put cross hair dead center on target, badah-bing-badah-boom.

I like both weapons but 1 shot is better than several at a far target, and or moving.

I would pick the M24 over the DMR.

DOC out

The M24 zeroes up to 800 meters. I never needed to use anything above that anyways.

First reasonable person in this thread. +1

[evulclown@gmail.com 191]

The M24 can technically reach out further than the DMR, if it wasn't for people exploiting by disconnecting when they were shot then this thread would not exist.

That being said, the DMR can be used with night vision. Can be used as a sniper rifle out to 800m and can hold its own up close very effectively especially if crosshairs are on. The ammo availability is a moot point as DMR magazines can be split to make M24 magazines and 4x M24 can be combined to make a DMR mag. They both fire the same cartridge, the difference being the M24 can be zero'd to 800m (or is it 1000m?) before you take into account the mil dot reticle which can be used to add further zeroing. The DMR only has the mildot reticle for its zeroing needs.

The DMR however, being semi auto, can do a follow up 2nd shot to the body in order to kill someone possibly before they can disconnect if you did not get a head shot. The DMR is a bit more forgiving to less skilled snipers because you can fire semi auto if you miss your first shot.

I prefer the DMR personally because I hunt people at night and daytime and I like that it can hold its own in close quarters.

So as it stands with people disconnecting, the DMR would seem the better weapon. If the exploiting was fixed, the M24 would hold its rightful place as king. The spawning seems fine if you consider that the DMR is a squad issued marksman rifle whereas the M24 is a sniper issued rifle. No gamey "buffs" need to be added to the weapons, lets not bog this game down with arcade shit to "balance" -- Just fix the Alt+F4 bug that plagues the game.

Edited July 12, 2012 by itputsthelotion

[Mercator 30]

Obviously not a Military bone in anyone's body in this thread.

Yes the DMR has a higher round count, semi-automatic and has a 2 x zoom with the scope. There is no Zeroing with the DMR rifle, all guestimate if you have a range-finder or a noob server. AND after 400-500 meters the damage effects reduces, because the bullet slows down and you have to fire server times at a guessed range.

The M24 has a 5 round count and being bolt action. It has a 1x zoom scope but zooms further than the DMR. IT does have a zeroing for far targets. I think (correct me if I am wrong) up to 1,000m-1200m? Meaning if you have a range finder and your target is 1,000m away all you have to do is (PAGE UP) to zeroing meter till you are on 1,000. Put cross hair dead center on target, badah-bing-badah-boom.

I like both weapons but 1 shot is better than several at a far target, and or moving.

I would pick the M24 over the DMR.

DOC out

Hi DOC :)

Glad you decided to respond as a bonafide expert on all things military. Care to explain what those annoying dots could be in the middle of the DMR's crosshair? When firearms experts such as yourself, explain to us that it's all just guesstimating unless you have a range finder, we're just wondering if those pesky little dots are at all necessary in that rifle's scope.

Thx for informing the crowd and educating us on these terribly confusing military things,

Merc

[Katana67 2907]

DMR has no proper zeroing, using mildots to zero is pretty inaccurate.

I prefer the M24 all the way - Why would you even need a semi automatic sniper rifle when the M24 is oneshot-kill to the head.

Not to mention the M24 is just a classic and badass gun.

Btw, you can turn DMR mags into M24 mags. So the "DMR ammo is more common" arguement is pointless.

I'm saying that the DMR ammo is too common for both. I find DMR mags more often than STANAG mags, and the fact that it can be recombined for M24 rounds makes it all the more necessary to make rarer... because you can find M24 mags anyhow.

EDIT - You still need a rare-ass rangefinder to remove all guestimating from the M24. I'd rather have a zoomable, but fixed mil-dot interface that I can memorize easily rather than fumbling through PAGE UP and DOWN to zero the damn thing when I still have to guess at the range (If you're not playing on a weak Regular server with auto-rangefinding when you just look at something).

The DMR's Pro's outweigh the M24's by far, that doesn't mean one can't slay bodies with the M24... but the main crux of the issue is the commonality of the DMR.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Katana67

[evulclown@gmail.com 191]

I'm saying that the DMR ammo is too common for both. I find DMR mags more often than STANAG mags, and the fact that it can be recombined for M24 rounds makes it all the more necessary to make rarer... because you can find M24 mags anyhow.

I find AKM / Stanag / DMR / AK74 mags at a pretty similar ratio personally. When you consider that each of those magazines can be used in multiple weapon types (with the exception of the AKM), then I don't really see a problem. You should be able to combine DMR magazines into a FAL magazine too.

I'm yet to find a DMR in a millitary spawn location and I've been in airports near constantly, let alone a deer stand. Probably doesn't help that DMRs can spawn at heli crash sites too. I've always looted them off of people.

Edited July 12, 2012 by itputsthelotion

[void.false@gmail.com 300]

Obviously not a Military bone in anyone's body in this thread.

Oh... You are so cool bro! What was your unit, ID and DS name?

I've been to military but had my hand on on only ARs and MGs but still I don't bitch around people who didn't serve and don't tell 'em how cool I'm. You don't have to use range finder. You have the mil-dots for that purpose. In fact, you even dont have to take your eyes off of target to adjust zeroing as with M24.

[Katana67 2907]

I find AKM / Stanag / DMR / AK74 mags at a pretty similar ratio personally. When you consider that each of those magazines can be used in multiple weapon types (with the exception of the AKM), then I don't really see a problem. You should be able to combine DMR magazines into a FAL magazine too.

I'm yet to find a DMR in a millitary spawn location and I've been in airports near constantly, let alone a deer stand. Probably doesn't help that DMRs can spawn at heli crash sites too. I've always looted them off of people.

Yeah, personal experience is for sure a factor. I'm sure there are people that never find DMR's.

But, when you consider that STANAG / 5.45x39 / 7.62x39 mags are used in -roughly- the same weapon, it sort of differentiates it from the M24 vs. M21. The STANAG mags are used in AR's, bottom line. Pretty much the same weapon, no matter if it has a CCO or Irons, it's pretty much the same thing. Same goes for the AK's.

Whereas with the M24 and DMR, these are weapons with vastly different qualities and capabilities. So the ammo commonality has a larger effect than on the others.

Unfortunately, you can't combine them into FAL mags. I wish you could, or that FALs were on the regular loot list. Bone-stock, iron-sight FALs should be able to be found in deer stands and military installations, they've no reason to be an ultra-rare spawn.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Katana67

[hawc 63]

No gamey "buffs" need to be added to the weapons, lets not bog this game down with arcade shit to "balance" -- Just fix the Alt+F4 bug that plagues the game.

I didn't know changing spawn rate was a "gamey buff"...

[Jackftw 310]

Bolt action = Higher accuracy

Zeroing = Higher accuracy

2 things a DMR does not have, AND the M24 does more damage. If you're a sniper, you should be killing in the first shot anyways, so you won't need a high rate of fire.

[Katana67 2907]

Bolt action = Higher accuracy

Zeroing = Higher accuracy

2 things a DMR does not have, AND the M24 does more damage. If you're a sniper, you should be killing in the first shot anyways, so you won't need a high rate of fire.

Key word, "Higher". Doesn't mean the DMR is a smoothbore musket. DMR's mil-dots can be used accurately out to 800m, which represents probably 90% of the engagements in Day Z.

If you're a sniper, in Day Z, surviving is the objective. Same as everyone else. If you miss, or do not kill in the first shot, then you've got 19 rounds to make up for that mistake. Not so much with the M24. Point being, the DMR is more forgiving than the much rarer M24.