Trying to improve my FPS.

[Hazuma 0]

Thanks to anyone who can offer advice on my system and what I can do to increase FPS. I've heard that this MOD isn't optimized very well, but I have also read of people getting pretty good FPS on it. My system isn't the best, but I think it should handle DayZ.

Specs:

CPU: AMD Phenom X4 9750 Processor @ 2.4 GHZ (I know, quad isn't necessary, and it's old and AMD)

RAM: 8GB DDR2 Dual channel

HDD: 750 - Majority is free

GPU: Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT

PSU: 650W

I can get like 12 fps on average. I turned antialiasing to low and postprocess effects to Disabled. Everything else is default, but my view distance is only like 2000.

Help meeee please :)

[Ramboness (DayZ) 15]

You got a old graphic card...

-nosplash -cpuCount=6 -exThreads=8 -maxmem=8192 -skipintro -world=empty -winxp -maxVRAM=512 try these launch options and fix it to your own setup, also update your video driver and so forth, turn everything except shadows(high) to low/very low and disable AA.

[maracusarillius_irl 2]

None of those tweaks are relevant anymore as they have all been patched, except -winxp, which can help performance, and -nosplash which skips intro vids.

The only one that would be relevant would be -cpuCount=6 if he had an AMD hex core which he doesn't.

Yea the graphics card is very old now so you can't expect much performance.

definately disable AA as there is no way you should be running it.

Try these settings..

visibility=1000-1600(absolutely no need to set it higher than this for day-z, most servers cap to 1600 anyways.)

texture detail=normal-high(mileage may vary)

video memory=default

anisotropic filtering=high-very high(won't have any performance hit really)

antialiasing=Disabled(frees up some much needed fps.)

Terrain detail=very low-low(mileage may vary)

OBJECT DETAIL=Very low-low(this has the biggest impact on performance.

shadows=try disabled-high(can have different impact on different systems)

HDR=Normal

Post processing=Disabled

vsync=Off

If you are using six launcher to play day-z , go to options - additional startup parameters and input this..

-nosplash -winxp

[iSayNo 0]

easy fix and if you even want to consider playing this game on arma III

get these and you wont have to upgrade for another 8 years.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130770

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188081

[maracusarillius_irl 2]

easy fix and if you even want to consider playing this game on arma III

get these and you wont have to upgrade for another 8 years.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130770

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188081

Dunno how future proof a GeForce GTX 560 SE will be?

Certainly not 8 years anyway :D

Maybe 1 year for mid-high settings!

[icomrade 201]

There's honestly no point in buying new last generation hardware, unless you are going to sli or crossfire.

This is by far the best card for your money, it can be overclocked to 7970 speeds and match its performance, an overclocked 7970 can beat a gtx 680 easily. Also don't let idiots tell you there are driver issues, they are long gone.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=vI3NVslOEeGw61riAfNBtA0_0_0_0_0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16814127667

It also comes with 3 free games, rather then some poor-man's photoshop.

[maracusarillius_irl 2]

Never mind the 680, the 670 is 13% faster than the 7970 across the board. Look at the benches :)

[Hazuma 0]

Damn, I didn't think my graphics card was that bad. Arma 2 came out in 2009, and my card came out in 2008. I guess that really is the issue then, huh? I guess I'm suspicious because I can run prettier games with higher fps that came out after Arma 2. Then again, I'm no expert.

https://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01742903&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3970023#N210

That's my motherboard, can it fit a pci express 3.0 card?

[icomrade 201]

Never mind the 680' date=' the 670 is 13% faster than the 7970 across the board. Look at the benches :)

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The 680 is 100 dollars more, and it's not 100 dollars better.

Benchmarks seem to be pretty close, newer benchmarks will show better performance for both cards, drivers have come a long way. You're better off saving your hundred bucks grabbing a 7970 and overclock it a bit. Also note how much cooler the card runs, at cooler temps components last longer.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/7

[maracusarillius_irl 2]

I reckon that board would bottleneck any new card as it's not even pci-ex2.0.

Your chip isn't the best either so if you had the money I'd do a new build.

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Never mind the 680' date=' the 670 is 13% faster than the 7970 across the board. Look at the benches :)

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The 680 is 100 dollars more, and it's not 100 dollars better.

Yea but my point was, the 670 isn't that much different price wise but performs better.

[Hazuma 0]

Yeah, if I had the money lol thanks guys. It just had to a hardware issue...

:P

[icomrade 201]

I reckon that board would bottleneck any new card as it's not even pci-ex2.0.

Your chip isn't the best either so if you had the money I'd do a new build.

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Never mind the 680' date=' the 670 is 13% faster than the 7970 across the board. Look at the benches :)

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The 680 is 100 dollars more, and it's not 100 dollars better.

Yea but my point was, the 670 isn't that much different price wise but performs better.

If you can overclock a 7950 to pretty much 7970 performance how is a 670 better? Kepler is absolute garbage for anything other than gaming, keep that in mind if you ever intend to do video or audio processing with gpu acceleration, AMD cards were always better at raw calculations.

If you have the extra 80 dollars to waste get a 670, I hope those 6 extra frames make a difference. Yeah it's about the same difference as the 7970 vs the 680, ~100 dollars depending on the model, price calculations done by me are after rebate, lowest price.

Note: Arma III physx is cpu based with gpu acceleration, so don't bring it up anyone.

[maracusarillius_irl 2]

Well we are talking about gaming here not encoding :) The OP didn't ask do you think my rig is good for fast encoding :)

Taken from HARDOCP review..

"we looked at the out-of-box performance, stock performance of each video card. The new GeForce GTX 670, at the same price as the Radeon HD 7950 was much better performing than the 7950 in every game. We experienced GTX 670 performance up to 30% faster than the Radeon HD 7950, for the same price. When we compared the GTX 670 to the Radeon HD 7970 we found the lower priced (by $50) GTX 670 to perform on par with, or better than, the Radeon HD 7970! The $50 less expensive GTX 670 was delivering the same gameplay experience, and sometimes a better experience, compared to the more expensive Radeon HD 7970!

On page 3 we overclocked all four video cards and compared again. Even with the Radeon HD 7950 overclocked the GeForce GTX 670 overclocked was able to perform faster. In the second section, when we overclocked the Radeon HD 7970 the high overclock we achieved with that video card put it in the spot to take the performance lead. Even the GTX 670 overclocked was no matched for the overclocked HD 7970. The overclocked GTX 680 is clearly the competition for it, when you put high levels of overclocking into the mix.

So?

The Radeon HD 7970 seems to be rather limited at its factory clock speeds. We have seen some HD 7970 cards overclock as high as 1.3GHz. We have all known the 7970 to be an overclocking beast, hence one more reason to look at the cards in this light. In this evaluation, at 1260MHz you can see how much that helped the HD 7970's performance. It was the only thing that gave it an advantage over the GeForce GTX 670. At stock frequencies, the GeForce GTX 670 seems to deliver the same gameplay experience as a Radeon HD 7970. That means for a $50 savings you can get the same performance as HD 7970. But, you won't be able to match the performance of an overclocked HD 7970 as long as that HD 7970 can reach at least 1200+ MHz.

If you are not one to overclock, it is clear the GTX 670 is the better value even when compared to AMD's $449 HD 7970. The $399 GTX 670 can deliver a similar experience for less money. When compare the price compatible GeForce GTX 670 to the Radeon HD 7950, the value delta is tremendous; it is simply an embarrassing scenario for the Radeon HD 7950. The GeForce GTX 670 clearly offers much better gaming performance at the same price. At the current prices the Radeon HD 7950 cannot compete in the market."

I am running 2 x 670's in SLI and have them overclocked to just under 1300mhz on the core and 6700mhz on the memory and they perform great :)

Also if someone decides to go for multi gpu config SLI wins hands down over crossfire any day.

Driver issues aside, SLI provides a smoother more fluid experience.

Any friends I knew that used to be red have all gone green these days :)

[icomrade 201]

providing your old psu has enough power you may not need to upgrade, although you could use the 100 dollar difference between cards to buy a nice new one. Here's a quick system I came up with, personally I wouldn't buy this case, although it is pretty solid and awesome.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=19707405

Edit: posting the actual review would have been helpful, usually you cite sources. Again, 100 dollars can be put to much better things. That review must have been super old, the amd cards haven't been priced the same as nvidia cards since they were new on the market.

[maracusarillius_irl 2]

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/05/14/geforce_680_670_vs_radeon_7970_7950_gaming_perf/4

:)

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That review must have been super old' date=' the amd cards haven't been priced the same as nvidia cards since they were new on the market.

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If you think just under 8 weeks ago to be super old, then yes, it's super old :)

[icomrade 201]

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/05/14/geforce_680_670_vs_radeon_7970_7950_gaming_perf/4

:)

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That review must have been super old' date=' the amd cards haven't been priced the same as nvidia cards since they were new on the market.

[/quote']

If you think just under 8 weeks ago to be super old, then yes, it's super old :)

2 months is a very long time for development of software and engeering of better drivers.

Of course it's amazing how the Hard OCP reviewers were able to squize so much out of that 670 and so little out of the 7970. Benchmarks in games such as skyrim are complete Bologna, this review shows the 7970 tying with the gtx 680 (at 2560x1600).

DX9 games tend to be faster on AMD cards, Arma 2 is a DX9 game, you will most likely see a bigger improvement with an amd card than a nvidia card. Currently I have a 5870 and wouldn't upgrade for any card on the market right now.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/05/14/geforce_680_670_vs_radeon_7970_7950_gaming_perf/2

With the new 12.7 driver the much cheaper AMD counterparts perform almost identically to the commonly challenged nvidia cards. I guess 8 weeks really is a long time, huh?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-review-benchmark,3232-8.html

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You got a old graphic card...

-nosplash -cpuCount=6 -exThreads=8 -maxmem=8192 -skipintro -world=empty -winxp -maxVRAM=512 try these launch options and fix it to your own setup' date=' also update your video driver and so forth, turn everything except shadows(high) to low/very low and disable AA.

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that's not how exthreads works, it is NOT the number of threads your cpu has, Maxmem does not need to be set, and leave video memory set to default in the arma 2 oa settings.

-cpuCount=4 -exThreads=7 -skipintro -world=empty

[maracusarillius_irl 2]

Had a few ati cards myself a few years ago, but after switching to nvidia I wouldn't go back.

Had plenty of issues over the years with the ati cards and driver support is always lacking.

Have a few mates that had ati cards recently and the same shit regarding drivers still happens. When certain games are released you have to wait for a bloody ati fix to play the damn things whereas nvidia tends just to work.

Also regarding crossfire and sli, the latter is notedly better in compatibility and smoothness.

2 games running at the same frame rate on a crossfire setup and an sli setup will feel much better on the sli setup as nvidia has spent time to address the microstuttering issue, which ati doesn't seem to have resolved yet.

Everyone that I know that has had both are all using nvidia these days, myself included as it is a smoother and hassle free experience.

That's just my experience anyway :)

[icomrade 201]

Had a few ati cards myself a few years ago' date=' but after switching to nvidia I wouldn't go back.

Had plenty of issues over the years with the ati cards and driver support is always lacking.

Have a few mates that had ati cards recently and the same shit regarding drivers still happens. When certain games are released you have to wait for a bloody ati fix to play the damn things whereas nvidia tends just to work.

Also regarding crossfire and sli, the latter is notedly better in compatibility and smoothness.

2 games running at the same frame rate on a crossfire setup and an sli setup will feel much better on the sli setup as nvidia has spent time to address the microstuttering issue, which ati doesn't seem to have resolved yet.

Everyone that I know that has had both are all using nvidia these days, myself included as it is a smoother and hassle free experience.

That's just my experience anyway :)

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I'd have to disagree with you on this one, of course drivers will never be 100% reliable as there are an infinite amount of setups. AMD drivers have been much more reliable for me over the years i've had my 5870, no more annoying display driver has stopped responding like I used to get every 2 hours with Nvidia. Although I'd never buy an nvidia card after the thousands of faulty GPUs they sold to laptop manufacturers, I also recall that EVGA had to recall a line of gtx 670s.

Microstutterng is an underlying issue in the game's framework, arma 2 has a beta patch which fixes issues with newer cards in crossfire.

There is really no difference between the 2 cards besides price point, and preference.

[Tweakie 199]

Well first off. You probably want to run the game on pretty low settings, with that Graphics card (which would also improve FPS :P), the game was also pretty demanding, despite not "looking" it.

BUT, Your FPS can be greatly affected by the server you are playing on, I sometimes get 30-40 FPS in a area, if i connect to another server I might get 50-60 FPS....or 20-30.

Test over multiple servers.

And don't test near big cities, as they kill FPS...I myself don't wanna go near Cherno/elektro/berezino due to having 10~FPS there. While having 30+ in the rest of the map.

Disable AA completely, Drawdistance is locked by the mod, you can't change that (well you can, but it changes nothing).

And Arma is a weird engine, that might actually run better with Vsync on (I get 1 extra FPS on the benchmarks, not much...but 1 FPS, I will take it)

[Hazuma 0]

@Icomrade

So do you think a 650 watt PSU is enough for the system you recommended? I've had it for a year or so now.

[mikael912 0]

@Icomrade

So do you think a 650 watt PSU is enough for the system you recommended? I've had it for a year or so now.

Sorry about the late response and the fact that the people that set out to help you began arguing like "fanboys" usually do.

650w will be enough, I'm running an overclocked 7970, i7 930 and 12gb 1600mhz ram with a 620w PSU but you might want to swap it anyway, depending on the brand and efficiency level certification. (bronze, silver, gold and platinum)

Another tip I should give you is NEVER save money on the PSU.

It's the most important component in your PC and if it fries, it will fry other components if it lacks safety procedures.

Make sure the PSU you have or buy in the future have most of these protection services:

• SCP - Short circuit protection
  
• OPP - Overpower (overload) protection
  
• OCP - Overcurrent protection
  
• OTP - Overtemperature protection
  
• OVP - Overvoltage protection
  
• UVP - Undervoltage protection
  

Don't cheap out, you might end up having to spend ALOT more if you try to save a few bucks and buy a cheap PSU.