Really? - PvP and possibility of recourse.

[Spoleto 25]

So after a disastrous solo trip to the NW airfield I decided to blow off some steam hunting bandits around Electro with a trusty double barreled shotgun of all things.

Three men sitting up on the hill overlooking the firestation had been unloading a steady stream of death into Electro town center and it had to stop.

Patiently I flanked their position crawling up the hill and giving them a wide berth until I was (in my estimation) directly above them, sure enough I spotted the first man taking aim with his DMR, completely oblivious to his surroundings - and his friend about 10 metres to his front-right, there was no sign of the third man.

I figured that any way I played It the second I opened up on these guys I would be toasted by the other guy and his MIA matey so I rationalised that I could at least take one of them down and ruin his evening and anything else would be a bonus.

Two shots into the first guy, very satisfying and all that but instead of a kill confirmation he dissapears into thin air leaving only spurts of blood coming from where he was standing.

Now aside from the fact that the double barreled has a painfully long interval between shots I had also spent both barrels and had to reload before I could try and take out his buddy and I had no idea where the third man was with his silenced assault rifle - It should have been curtains for me then and there. But no less than half a second after the first guy had D/C'ed his buddy also vanished into thin air without any attempt whatsoever to turn around and fill me full of holes.

It was at this point I clocked the third man frantically running out from behind a tree - he hadn't seen me yet so I attempted a kamikaze sprint towards him to get a clean headshot and make him pay for his friends cowardice, he saw me and promptly broke my legs with a burst from his assault rifle but I managed to tag him in the upper chest with one round as he finished me off, he fell to the ground unconscious as I faded to black.

Optimistically I thought I had made a killing shot and that he would bleed out on that hill and take his death like a man as he hadn't insta disconnected at the first sign of incoming gunfire like his two buddies, and after a fortuitous spawn at Drakon I high-tailed it back to find my corpse and (hopefully) his lying next to it.

Instead I found nothing apart from another survivor with my gun slowly moving around the area I had been in, I spoke over direct comms to explain I had just engaged some bandits in this area and I wasn't sure if the last guy had disconnected or was licking his wounds somewhere nearby - to my suprise the guy responded saying he had seen the whole thing go down and that suprise suprise the second the Silenced rifle man had regained consciousness he had immediately disconnected to (presumably) join his buddies on an empty server to heal up and start up their terrorising of electro all over again, he offered me all my gear back which was very generous but I declined explaining I was done for the night and he could keep what little I had, and after bitching about their cowardice I bid him farewell.

Two things; If these guys were not such horrendous cravens they could have ended me in a instant - I was a sitting duck for at least a couple of seconds after I tried to kill the first guy and by instantly disconnecting they left their third friend completely exposed and vunerable whilst I reloaded - and he looked to me like the guy who had the most to lose out of the whole affair - Silenced assault rifle - Camo suit.

It is monstrously unfair that these guys were racking up the kills in electro taking out any and all survivors unlucky enough to stop to loot anything in the town center and then are able to dodge their own comeuppance with their spidey-sense disconnecting skills.

Currently with this exploit there is almost NO recourse for survivors against bored bean bandits camping the costal towns. It's a hard enough task to ascertain where these guys are sniping from - flank and outmaneuver them and then engage successfully with far inferior firepower and it's a total spit in the face that if you manage all of the above you still are by no means guaranteed any sort of proper justice because the damn wimps can't handle being bested by a costal player and vanish into the ether only to reappear on another server or a different position to start making newbies game lives hell again.

I wouldn't change a thing about the pvp dynamics in this game as it creates some of the most exiting cat and mouse gameplay I have ever experienced but as it stands that is *completely* undermined by the near invunerability of these server hopping, disconnecting, angels of death and I can totally see why this is souring the pvp experience for a huge section of the new playerbase who don't see any way to counter the coastal " Now you see them, now you don't " fucktards.

I realise this is a fairly large rant about something we all know is a problem but I think it's important to keep discussing it, especially how it relates to the new players game experience as I firmly believe they are the ones suffering the brunt of this epidemic.

So yeah share you stories of PvP-Interruptus and vent with me :P

[Senrain 148]

-Bandit going on killing spree in cherno

-He has the bandit skin and insane equipment (Obvious hacker)

-I manage to sneak up on him in the firehouse of all places.

-Six revolver shots dead center into his back, he falls over and his body vanishes.

-He had a M4A1 SD, and a M107 in his coyote backpack. Not to mention it was a night server and I visibly saw he was wearing NVGs.

-FUCK.

[Poundoff 32]

I read the whole thing expecting a lot of tears, crying, and butthurt.

But, you explained what happens to a lot of people quite well. What you need to do is just get that 1 headshot to end their life right away. You still might not get loot if they alt+f4 as I've had bodies disappear, but it's a better chance than just wounding them.

I've seen bandits do this, I've seen survivors do this, and I've even seen someone run up on me out of nowhere and scare the hell out of us both and still alt+f4 just because he either didn't want to kill me because he was a nice guy or he shit his pants and had to alt+f4.

Hope this issue gets fixed.

[Maderas 12]

It's pretty much pointless to play until Rocket gets the ALT+F4 shit sorted if your main focus is PvP. I can't remember the last time I actually 1) got a kill on somebody and 2) got to loot the body. It usually disappears becasue they're in the middle of disconnecting when they die.

[mmarionz 6]

I am not having a go here but taking on 3 guys with a double barrel while ballsy is never going to succeed unless you are Chuck Norris or his brother.

I look at this way..if they have enough time to dc you have not done a good enough job,and should revise your tactics.

Still needs fixing but

[teih 36]

I had actually planned to go hunting some campers in Electro myself, but after reading this I realise there really is nothing we can do against these scumbags.

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I am not having a go here but taking on 3 guys with a double barrel while ballsy is never going to succeed

Still needs fixing but

If you read what he said you'd notice he never expected to succeed killing more than one.

[mmarionz 6]

he did to my bad missed that

as you were

[BlessedHeretic 1]

This is why I love my .50 cal. One hit on any part of a player's body is nearly always instant death. But Me and my partner have encountered these Dc buggers, we've begun to report them in the cheating session.

As a golden rule, if the guy instantly reconnects without moving position, we don't report him, as he has accepted his fate willingly OR honestly lost connection while we were shooting.

I hope the mods keep a good view on the cheating forum for posts like this, I'd assume so since rocket himself said DCing to avoid death is an exploit he didn't want to occur.

[Spoleto 25]

I suck at forums so I dont know how to do quotes properly but I totally agree that

"What you need to do is just get that 1 headshot to end their life right away"

I think one of the problems with this is that it is currently the snipers up on the hills up and around the coastal cities are using high powered rifles which are pretty much a one hit kill anywhere significant on the body wheras the newer spawns are attempting to fight back with winchesters - shotguns - makarovs (Lol)

So we have the bandits with the perfectly legitimate advantage of their one hit kill rifles, they went and found the guns they should reap the benefits - no arguments here.

But they also get to maintain this high end gear with little to no issues because the only way they will be killed and lose this gear (as they should be able to) is if a newly spawned survivor makes that one perfect headshot with far inferior weapons (after passing the initial hurdles of finding said weapon and flanking their position *without* getting one shotted)

My standpoint is that the advantage of better gear - tactics is totally okay but combine that with serial disconnecting and you can potentially have a super geared bandit escape certain death countless times and terrorize the coastal towns with total impunity.

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"I had actually planned to go hunting some campers in Electro myself, but after reading this " I realise there really is nothing we can do against these scumbags."

Dont lose heart mate! It's a great rush doing it regardless and you can hopefully at the very least inject some fear into their play sessions until they sort it out! :)

And yeah my shotgun hunting was never going to end well but I could have potentially triumped and created an hour or so of (relative) peace in electro by making those guys spawn at the beach like everyone on the wrong end of their rifles has to, and the main point is, as a goal that is pretty difficult to do currently

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" This is why I love my .50 cal. One hit on any part of a player's body is nearly always instant death. But Me and my partner have encountered these Dc buggers, we've begun to report them in the cheating session. "

First of all - nice one and secondly do a public service and turn that 50cal badboy on those bean bandits show them what for :P