Definitive Side Chat / Server Message, Will I get Blacklisted thread?

[VLG Castiel 3]

It's not the "how" that's in question, it's the blacklisting bit. However, it was already addressed in this thread by Staff that it is strictly prohibited. We're still questioning it, that should mean something. More importantly, that reddit post - is it legit? So Rocket has admitted not to blacklist servers over it, which would make sense, it's such an innocent change.

Essentially, this ordeal is the same as Portuguese abortion laws.

You are strictly forbidden to do it. You suffer no consequences from doing it. But you can't do it.

[Kuro5hin420 7]

Well altering my mission file by myself is a blacklistable offense and I am not going to do that, so anything you PM me is not going to be used unless I get express permission from a dev. But feel free to shoot me a PM with that.

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It's not the "how" that's in question' date=' it's the blacklisting bit. However, it was already addressed in this thread by Staff that it is strictly prohibited. We're still questioning it, that should mean something. More importantly, that reddit post - is it legit? So Rocket has admitted not to blacklist servers over it, which would make sense, it's such an innocent change.

Essentially, this ordeal is the same as Portuguese' abortion laws.

You are strictly forbidden to do it. You suffer no consequences from doing it. But you can't do it.

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That is not really an answer and I am not risking my money that I plunked down for a server on a subtle grey that I could get fucked for, yet at the same time my server, and the gaming experience of the people that play on my server is being impacted by a change that apparently didn't matter anyway yet the only option I have to revert it is to do something I have been forbidden to do. Do you see how that doesn't really make sense to do?

I just want a straight answer from a dev and that will put the issue to rest, even if nepotism is involved.

[hunter2123 106]

2 Devs said no. Rocket has said before you cannot edit the mission file, what are you missing here?

[VLG Castiel 3]

My answer holds no meaning.

@HunterBoy - It is however a reference to this:

A few things that we talked about that server admins will find interesting are about side chat and in-game voice. If you have side chat enabled, it will not get your server blacklisted but is certainly not approved as it's not part of the project. He did say very firmly though, if someone reported getting kicked off the server for using in-game voice on the side chat could result in the server being blacklisted.

On that note, I hereby request a Rocket AMA on reddit.

[DarkEnergy 4]

2 Devs said no. Rocket has said before you cannot edit the mission file' date=' what are you missing here?

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An somewhat reliable way to administer servers perhaps ?

But hey looking at logs for combat d/c is great i mean time well spend right ?

[Nadasdy 1]

I would like to hear something about this. Saying we arnt allowed to edit the mission file but wont be blacklisted; sounds like them saying they wont tell us we can do it but if we do we wont be punished.

[Azrail (DayZ) 211]

Well for it being not allowed there sure are A LOT of servers with it. I think if they actually black listed servers with side chat enabled they can say goodbye to about 1/3 of the servers lol

Probably its the fact that the dev team is working their ass off right now, and noone really has time to blacklist a myriad of servers because their admins are to dull to follow a simple rule.

Every server owner probably needs to read up the rules, just to be sure...

http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1429

This set of rules counts, everything else not said by rocket should be confirmed first.

(i don't even host a server, and i was aware of these rules, what does that tell you?)

Servers not obeying the rules need to be gone. Pay some respect to rocket, or host another game!

[phisher34 12]

As the OP, I think the question of can admins modify the mission file has been answered. The answer is no. While Rocket probably has the final say, his dev team have spoken.

However, if the dev's have already gone ahead and modified mission files for admins by request then that would be the best route to go. Basically, you can't modify the file, but they can.

So maybe a system can be setup where admins can request to have Side chat / Server messages turned on. Or an agreement that no servers will be blacklisted until after the radio feature has been introduced.

[domuk (DayZ) 0]

The staff have done a great job at getting this mod up and running and the support has been slow but epic. The staff just need to remember that the people hosting their mod on their servers keep their game going and by not responding to simple requests on the community forums is going to turn people away.

I don't see what makes them so busy that someone cant just say why we cant use side chat rather than spouting some rubbish about it being against the rules to mod the mission files. Its clearly something the people want returned to the game why not make address the problem rather than just tell us

I understand your concern Phisher but the definitive answer is modifying of any of the DayZ mission or addon files is strictly prohibited.

Surely the mission files can be regenerated or modified by staff so that people can re-download them with side chat enabled or if that's to much work for the staff, then allow the people to make the change. Not that a change like this seems to be traceable unless someone reports your server.

[deadbeat 0]

I just feel the priority's change per staff member rather than having one path so we don't get such a set of conflict on who to believe, One person says this the other person says that my god how hard is it to come up with one answer then delegate it down to everybody else rather than waiting for someone to ask a question then replying with one thing and then with the next. in the end you could also clear all this up with a decent FAQ that everyone has access to.

[jonesyx@gmail.com 19]

The fact that there still isn't a confirmed listing on what weapons are actually in the mod and not hacked in is telling.

Don't see why both sidechat and 'dropping items while in water' aren't checkable items to be enabled or disabled during mission file creation.

[caeden 1]

The fact that there still isn't a confirmed listing on what weapons are actually in the mod and not hacked in is telling.

Don't see why both sidechat and 'dropping items while in water' aren't checkable items to be enabled or disabled during mission file creation.

There is:

http://dayzwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Loot

[shawnbayer75 83]

I just feel the priority's change per staff member rather than having one path so we don't get such a set of conflict on who to believe' date=' One person says this the other person says that my god how hard is it to come up with one answer then delegate it down to everybody else rather than waiting for someone to ask a question then replying with one thing and then with the next. in the end you could also clear all this up with a decent FAQ that everyone has access to.

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You mean like this?

http://support.dayzmod.com/knowledgebase.php

[deadbeat 0]

Indeed like that Dante-shawn but it could do with a bit more content hmm maybe make something where people can post questions so that you can update it more and more then eventually a lot of things will be easy to find. I do like the fact you guys finally got a WHM going as it should help you guys out a lot and it's not that expensive.

[jonesyx@gmail.com 19]

The fact that there still isn't a confirmed listing on what weapons are actually in the mod and not hacked in is telling.

Don't see why both sidechat and 'dropping items while in water' aren't checkable items to be enabled or disabled during mission file creation.

There is:

http://dayzwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Loot

It's been repeatedly stated in various server/cheat threads that that listing is unofficial and shouldn't be treated as gospel.

[rabble-rouser 3]

There is also an all new ticket system in place for all DayZ server operators to be able to get assistance. If you are not going to use the new ticket system what is the point of them even adding it.

You can set an urgency on your ticket as to what you feel the urgency is.

About editing the mission file, I am pretty sure that twice, in this thread alone not to mention all the other threads, it was mentioned NOT to edit your mission file it is NOT allowed.

Chat channels are intended to be off except Direct, There is no need to communicate with anyone in-game if they are further away than Direct Communication allows. If you have community members or regular players that you want to be able to always communicate with get those players in your TS3/Vent/Mumble/Steam Chat.

Quit asking for things just because others are not following the rules layed out for the project DayZ.

[domuk (DayZ) 0]

I know that our server has not changed the mission file before people get the wrong idea, we are simply asking for it to be enabled, many servers have it, many servers want it. Just because you feel no need to talk to your ingame players thats your choice. We want noobies and admins to be-able to monitor and help out if it is required.

As pointed out before, we would like to know why we cant have it, not how to do it so we can break the respected rules.

[deadbeat 0]

Yeah there is now a WCM panel that people can use to do tickets, maybe people want the general community to talk about this matter, all we are really asking is for a way to talk to people to make sure the server is ok or it anything is wrong.

I really couldn't care less that side chats gone as I sit in mumble but there should also be away for people to talk which will be eventually the radios but they are not in yet so they should keep side chat until rocket has actually adding something in to replace it.

As I have said before if we edited our mission file they wouldn't even know unless someone reported it so they really need to find a better way to handle this.

Currently myself I host a 50 slot TS server to go along side my DayZ server but nobody bloody uses it because they don't want people hearing there voice that is why people want side chat.

But meh this community can never make decisions nor does the community input even get considered so what does it matter :).

[digital0 22]

Is there a reason why some people are able to write in side and groupchat on my server?

[kiotie 23]

I really do want to turn on Side-chat on my server, but I don't know what the consequences may be. I know in the knowledgebase that it says there is no way to enable the side chat, but as said before, so many servers already have them enabled. If I submit a ticket, I'll probably just be referred to that knowledgebase article.

Is the plain answer "no"? If so, what will you start doing to enforce this rule? Obviously many people like side channel, so I really don't see what the problem is enabling it until a feature replaces it.

[VLG Castiel 3]

Is there a reason why some people are able to write in side and groupchat on my server?

If only a select few are able to, possibly wrong client versions.

You should have a required beta build in your configs.

[Ushi007 0]

http://support.dayzmod.com/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=13

Quote from Knowledgebase:

How can I turn on side chat?

The removal of side chat is a feature of DayZ gameplay. As such the editing of DayZ files is not allowed.

Best bet would be to log it as a suggestion and make your case/lobby for support there.

[shawnbayer75 83]

http://support.dayzmod.com/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=13

Quote from Knowledgebase:

How can I turn on side chat?

The removal of side chat is a feature of DayZ gameplay. As such the editing of DayZ files is not allowed.

Best bet would be to log it as a suggestion and make your case/lobby for support there.

Please post suggestions in the forums :D

[domuk (DayZ) 0]

Unless im misguided this is the forums?

[VLG Castiel 3]

Unless im misguided this is the forums?

He probably meant these.