Magazines

[Insane Ruffles 74]

        Every gun you come across does not have a magazine in it or anywhere around it "unless you get really lucky." This is both frustrating and unrealistic. It already takes a long time to find a weapon on a high pop server, and then you have to spend another hour or 2 searching for a stupid mag that should be with the gun in the first place.        

         This just encourages server hopping. All gun owners, no matter if civilian or military, keep the mags in or around their gun almost always. Guns that spawn in the map should 85% of the time spawn with an empty mag (and 5% with a half mag, etc.) Few guns should spawn without a magazine near them because no responsible gun owner keeps their mags far away from their guns.

        The magazines could also be ruined to pristine. Certain types of bullets are already rare, we don't need to spend 2 hours searching for a mag to hold them every time we find a gun. Making bullets more rare would be better than keeping the current separation of magazines from their parent gun.

[MrZeLlama 0]

Well of course it does on a high pop server, theres alot of people looting, looking for guns, and finding them. and yes finding mags does take a while. but sometimes you get lucky, one time i found a 9m pistol and took it (had no mags or ammo) the next place i checked had 2 mags and ammo. for the same gun, its just luck i suppose. i like your idea of ". Making bullets more rare would be better than keeping the current separation of magazines from their parent gun."  

[rodolfoxiii 71]

I don't think that's unrealistic.

 

When the game is released I hope that weapons go very rare and the bow and crossbow will have a meaning.

[James Hawke 114]

I haven't been playing the standalone for a long time, but after 40ish hours for the first time I actually carry a pistol with the corresponding magazine AND ammo! A miracle!

I do think at least some guns should spawn with a magazine, even if it's an empty magazine...

[gibonez 3633]

I don't think that's unrealistic.

 

When the game is released I hope that weapons go very rare and the bow and crossbow will have a meaning.

 

Who do you know stores magazines far away from their weapons ?

 

Or actually who would even have a weapon in their house with out any magazines it is literally like having a revolver in your house without a cylinder.

 

The magazine is just as vital to proper gun function as a trigger or a bolt.

 

Imo civilian spawns should start spawning magazines and weapons that require magazines should spawn with 1 empty one inside .

[Katana67 2907]

No thanks, unless it's a very small chance.

 

Magazines help make the use of certain weapons rare.

 

Server hopping needs to be fixed on its own. It's not the fault of magazines spawning away from weapons.

[randomspawn 215]

No thanks, unless it's a very small chance.

 

Magazines help make the use of certain weapons rare.

 

Server hopping needs to be fixed on its own. It's not the fault of magazines spawning away from weapons.

Eh, I guess it depends on your viewpoint. If you want the game grounded in realism, the magazines and guns should be together, though maybe the ammo count in the magazine should vary. For gameplay sake, we have them all separate to prevent bambi's from rising up too quickly. Neither is wrong or right, it just depends on what the goal is.

[gibonez 3633]

No thanks, unless it's a very small chance.

 

Magazines help make the use of certain weapons rare.

 

Server hopping needs to be fixed on its own. It's not the fault of magazines spawning away from weapons.

 

The only thing not spawning an empty mag on weapons is it makes certain weapons useless. By the time you find a sporter mag, or a pistol mag you already found a better weapon or atleast one that does not require a mag.

[Insane Ruffles 74]

No thanks, unless it's a very small chance.

 

Magazines help make the use of certain weapons rare.

 

Server hopping needs to be fixed on its own. It's not the fault of magazines spawning away from weapons.

What random spawn said, it is to prevent bambis from getting powerful quickly. What we need is for magazines to spawn on guns, but for guns to be more rare. There are still too many guns for an apocalypse setting IMO, they need to be way more spread out than they are now where all of the guns are spawning in only 3 types of buildings. That just makes everyone and their mother run to the nearest police station because that is where all the guns are.

[StrikeEagle 7]

There's another thread in the suggestions area on a similar lines to this one.

 

Most of the pistols should spawn with a magazine - not necessarily a full one - but they should have one, or at least nearby. Pistols at the moment are truly overlooked in the game due to the sheer abundance of primary weapons; why nail that guy with your FNX when you've got an AKM with four 30-round clips and pinpoint accuracy? It's kind of a shame really as somebody mentions above, the Sporter almost needn't be in the game due to the rarity of it's magazines.

 

Make the magazines a bit more common (especially if we're getting the Makarov or something Russian along those lines) but make them empty or damaged (only able to hold 1/2 a clip of bullets due to the damage, or it might not fire first time etc).

 

It needs to get to a stage where you've got an almost direct progression - Melee > Pistol > Sporter / Low Grade Rifle > Rifle / Uzi-type weapon > M4 / Sniper Rifles / High-End guns.

 

But hey, let's see what happens. Long way to go yet :)

[Katana67 2907]

Eh, I guess it depends on your viewpoint. If you want the game grounded in realism, the magazines and guns should be together, though maybe the ammo count in the magazine should vary. For gameplay sake, we have them all separate to prevent bambi's from rising up too quickly. Neither is wrong or right, it just depends on what the goal is.

 

Agreed!

 

The only thing not spawning an empty mag on weapons is it makes certain weapons useless. By the time you find a sporter mag, or a pistol mag you already found a better weapon or atleast one that does not require a mag.

 

The issue with Sporter mags (and a lot of pistol mags), now, is that they don't spawn outside of military/police buildings (i.e. as a rarer spawn), and thus are exponentially rarer than the weapons that they support.

 

Nothing to do with the fact that the magazines just spawn separately from the weapons.

 

I'd agree that for so-called "common" weapons, spawning magazines nearby would make them more useful. However, a more systemic solution is to just (as I've been asserting all along) make both the magazine and firearm (and ammunition) common if it's use is intended to be common. If a weapon's use is intended to be rare, then make the weapon, magazine, and ammunition rare.

 

The issue now is that the balance between rare/common weapons is way off.

Edited July 3, 2014 by Katana67

[retti 7]

do u even pvp?

[terminal_boy 860]

What about "gentlemen's" magazines?

Unless you like zombie clunge, knocking one out to an old copy of Juggs will be vital for a sutvivor's morale and mental health.

[Jesterarts 85]

I really don't understand why people struggle with finding weapons or mags.

After my last re spawn it have played 3-4 hours. I have a myosin, m4, magnum and .45. All with ammo and mags.

[EvilTigerAce 131]

    All gun owners, no matter if civilian or military, keep the mags in or around their gun almost always.

 

No. It's not even allowed in my country. I have to put my mags in a different safe actually.

 

And I'm talking about low-caliber semi-automatic rifles, most rifles (including all automatic rifles) are banned in my country. (The Netherlands)

[randomspawn 215]

No. It's not even allowed in my country. I have to put my mags in a different safe actually.

 

And I'm talking about low-caliber semi-automatic rifles, most rifles (including all automatic rifles) are banned in my country. (The Netherlands)

Yes, but you've got Weed dude, and sometimes, weed is better than guns. Not so much when hunting deer or criminals, but you can use the weed for bait...