Removal of 3rd person view exploit

[BL1P 252]

I know all the arguments on why people want 3rd on some servers.

Here is why it shouldn't be on in DayZ

It is and can be used as an exploit to see through, over or around objects you should not be able to see through, over or around in a FPS PVP modded game.

Using the 3rd view exploit on one server then coming to a no exploit server with loot gained from an exploit is tantamount to cheating.

To combat the exploits I would suggest one of the two following things.

1: make all DayZ servers one playing type with none of the exploits of 3rd or tags etcetc.

This method makes all servers 1 difficulty setting and would create an even playing field across all severs.

OR

2: Stop the ability to swap from one difficulty server to different difficulty server.

This method would allow players who prefer the 3rd or tags exploits for what ever reasons to continue using 3rd etc but would allow the people who want

untainted loot none exploit servers to have that aswell.

Obviously playing on none 3rd would mean you cannot goto 3rd using servers aswell.

[Ag3nt Richt3r 19]

It's not an exploit..... your opinion does not make it so. It is a server side option, plain and simple.

[Nyarhra 0]

Admin set these options don't think the devs can do much about it really

[BL1P 252]

It's not an exploit..... your opinion does not make it so. It is a server side option' date=' plain and simple.

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Really so your saying BIS intended for you to be able to see through a wall using the 3rd person view ?

Just being able to do that alone makes it an exploit.

Thats not just my opinion its a fact !

[GreenJedi 0]

Not everyone agrees with your opinion. I myself like third person. I don't abuse the "exploit" though.

If you do not like it, you can go to veteran or hardcore servers. Even some regulars have it disabled.

[BL1P 252]

Admin set these options don't think the devs can do much about it really

The options can be overwritten in the missions code.

So yes the devs could force one type of difficulty.

I know I have done it myself in missions :)

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Not everyone agrees with your opinion. I myself like third person. I don't abuse the "exploit" though.

If you do not like it' date=' go to veteran or hardcore servers. Even some regulars have it disabled.

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read post 4 :)

also i guess you would want option 2 not 1 seems you dint read the original post :)

[red62 9]

arma 2 isnt an FPS, dumbass.

[BL1P 252]

arma 2 isnt an FPS' date=' dumbass.

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prove it

[Redshift 58]

If you don't like 3rd person play on 3rdperson=0 servers, simple as that.

If someone wants to play with 3rdperson on then they are not going to switch to a 1st person forced server just because "I got all da phat lootz! Ima gonza kilz mesome 1st person people now". It doesnt make any sense, because they would be playing out of their comfort zone.

[GreenJedi 0]

Admin set these options don't think the devs can do much about it really

The options can be overwritten in the missions code.

So yes the devs could force one type of difficulty.

I know I have done it myself in missions :)

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Not everyone agrees with your opinion. I myself like third person. I don't abuse the "exploit" though.

If you do not like it' date=' go to veteran or hardcore servers. Even some regulars have it disabled.

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read post 4 :)

also i guess you would want option 2 not 1 seems you dint read the original post :)

Ah, but I did. You're overcomplicating things. Forcing people to stick to one type of difficulty or stick with 3rd person on/off doesn't make sense.

I don't see why you're trying to restrict options. We should be adding them.

[1mpuls3 2]

It's not an exploit..... your opinion does not make it so. It is a server side option' date=' plain and simple.

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Really so your saying BIS intended for you to be able to see through a wall using the 3rd person view ?

Just being able to do that alone makes it an exploit.

Thats not just my opinion its a fact !

BIS implemented 3rd person themselves. It's always been in arma and even back in the ofp iirc.

So calling something that the devs implememted themselves years ago, an exploit, does not make sense. Nor does this thread. Let me suggest that you use the search feature in the future, the amount of threads on this subject is ridicilous.

[Dreganius (DayZ) 55]

Stating "FACT!" doesn't make something a fact. My Yr9 Geography teacher did it, and two years later her 'facts' were proven to be incorrect.

Just because you think something is a fact doesn't make it so, and by saying it you're essentially making yourself look like a total nitwit, instead of making what you're saying look more believable.

[BL1P 252]

If you don't like 3rd person play on 3rdperson=0 servers' date='

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I do simple as that. what I don't think the mod needs is exploiters coming from 3rdperson=1 servers with loot gained from the exploit available with 3rd onto the server I'm on.

[GreenJedi 0]

Stating "FACT!" doesn't make something a fact. My Yr9 Geography teacher did it' date=' and two years later her 'facts' were proven to be incorrect.

Just because you think something is a fact doesn't make it so, and by saying it you're essentially making yourself look like a total nitwit, instead of making what you're saying look more believable.

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It's hard making conversation with someone who thinks their opinion is superior to everyone elses. The problem is there are other such third person shooters. It isn't an exploit if everyone else can do it.

[BL1P 252]

Stating "FACT!" doesn't make something a fact. My Yr9 Geography teacher did it' date=' and two years later her 'facts' were proven to be incorrect.

Just because you think something is a fact doesn't make it so, and by saying it you're essentially making yourself look like a total nitwit, instead of making what you're saying look more believable.

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Ok hows this then you CAN exploit with 3rd by looking though the walls of a house your in.

It was not intended by BIS as a function of the game making it an exploit.

there ya go didn't mention fact (opps just did)

[1mpuls3 2]

But the loot is the same on every server. What difference does 3rd vs 1st person make when it comes to what loot you find?

[GreenJedi 0]

It was not intended by BIS as a function of the game making it an exploit.

If they put third person into the game to use, I'm pretty sure they were fully aware what you could do with it. There's a reason you can drag the camera in 3rd person. This is a TACTICAL shooter. You need to try and out think your opponent. Using the camera to look past a wall and see what loot is present is not an exploit. It's just convenience. Saves you some time instead of going in the front door.

[BL1P 252]

But the loot is the same on every server. What difference does 3rd vs 1st person make when it comes to what loot you find?

Using an exploit to get the loot no matter the type of exploit you use is wrong.

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It was not intended by BIS as a function of the game making it an exploit.

If they put third person into the game to use' date=' I'm pretty sure they were full well what you could do with it. There's a reason you can drag the camera in 3rd person. This is a TACTICAL shooter. You need to try and out think your opponent.

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So your saying looking through walls was intended ?

[GreenJedi 0]

But the loot is the same on every server. What difference does 3rd vs 1st person make when it comes to what loot you find?

Using an exploit to get the loot no matter the type of exploit you use is wrong.

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It was not intended by BIS as a function of the game making it an exploit.

If they put third person into the game to use' date=' I'm pretty sure they were full well what you could do with it. There's a reason you can drag the camera in 3rd person. This is a TACTICAL shooter. You need to try and out think your opponent.

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So your saying looking through walls was intended ?

You have to keep in mind that DayZ is in Alpha. There are problems present. There are side effects to putting in 3rd person, but this does not justify removing it or blocking it for people. Let's just both agree to disagree, since we consider each other's points invalid.

[Dreganius (DayZ) 55]

This thread is like trying to make a Christian extremist understand Society's values about homosexuality. I'm out.

[YoChris 1]

I know all the arguments on why people want 3rd on some servers.

Here is why it shouldn't be on in DayZ

It is and can be used as an exploit to see through' date=' over or around objects you should not be able to see through, over or around in a FPS PVP modded game.

Using the 3rd view exploit on one server then coming to a no exploit server with loot gained from an exploit is tantamount to cheating.

To combat the exploits I would suggest one of the two following things.

1: make all DayZ servers one playing type with none of the exploits of 3rd or tags etcetc.

This method makes all servers 1 difficulty setting and would create an even playing field across all severs.

OR

2: Stop the ability to swap from one difficulty server to different difficulty server.

This method would allow players who prefer the 3rd or tags exploits for what ever reasons to continue using 3rd etc but would allow the people who want

untainted loot none exploit servers to have that aswell.

Obviously playing on none 3rd would mean you cannot goto 3rd using servers aswell.

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if you dont like it. play on other server.

[GreenJedi 0]

This thread is like trying to make a Christian extremist understand Society's values about homosexuality. I'm out.

Well put. :P

[BL1P 252]

if you dont like it. play on other server.

OMG I do only play on none 3rd servers. read the frigging posts :)

[1mpuls3 2]

But it isn't even an exploit. An exploit is something in a game not implemented by the devs, and that's used in a way to create unfair advantages over other players.

3rd person is nothing like that, why? Because a) it was implemented by BIS themselves, b) if someone is using 3rd person, everyone can, even you which makes it fair. If you choose not to use 3rd person on a server that allows 3rd, you alone make it a disadvantage for yourself.

[7-75 callaghan 43]

I agree with making sure people can't switch difficulty at least. Because it is an exploit and always has been, even long before this mod. It can be used to give you an LOS that people shouldn't have, and makes it too easy.

People bitch and whine for hours about 3rd person not being an exploit, and that they 'need' it.

Then it is taken away from them and suddenly they are all 'oh wow you were right, this is so much more immersive, just better in general, and i'm learning how to play better'.

I have heard those words, OH so many times, from people recruited into my realism unit, who are used to public games in 'easy mode'.