Server name restrictions

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

It's kind of a kick in the face to new players when they finally figure out that while a server can write "No pvp", "no kos" or "pve" in their title, there is no way the admins can enforce it.

 

I'm not saying the admins should be able to enforce it, on the contrary I'm saying it should be against the hosting rules to put stuff like that in your title. It's simply false advertising that misleads a lot of new players, and I think the developers have a responsibility to put a stop to it.

[djporternz 644]

Fair point. But admins are people and people suck. Having something in the hosting rules may or may not help, and the Dev team isn't directly responsible for monitoring the servers. Report them to the Top Tier provider if it is an issue for you.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

While the developers aren't the ones monitoring and enforcing the rules, they set the rules. I can't just contact a server provider, because they take direction from the developers.

 

If the developers added this to the hosting rules, then the server providers would have to act on it.

[skyline-gtr 130]

While a server names rule may be a good idea. There is also the fact that, there are clearly defined rules that you should probably have looked at as a new player.

Those rules would let you know that the server named PvE would not be allowed to enforce that stance unless breaking the rules.

[doctorwhy 157]

Um...It's already in the Rules a server can not be NO KoS.

 

I fund it kind of douchebaggery that:

1.) it's an large amount of money for a server for a month

2.) You're being told what you can do with the server you rent.

 

I rented for just a month but I am cancelling because it really seems like they want more servers to test the game on in alpha by their rules and "handcuff" those that do want to shell out that much cash.

Once we can have private servers I'll rent again.  Until then I don't like being told what I can or can't do with my server.

 

Also being an admin there really is only one thing that can be done if somebody is caught "not following server rules" and that's kick everybody.  And that's douchey too. That too is ALSO against their "rulez" for running a server.

 

I leave my "Fear & Loathing in DayZ server" up whatever happens in there stays in there, until my time is up and it goes away from the hives.

Edited February 3, 2014 by DoctorWhy

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

While a server names rule may be a good idea. There is also the fact that, there are clearly defined rules that you should probably have looked at as a new player.

Those rules would let you know that the server named PvE would not be allowed to enforce that stance unless breaking the rules.

 

New players aren't coming onto the forums and reading up about server hosting rules. Nor should we ever expect them to do that.

 

 

Um...It's already in the Rules a server can not be NO KoS.

 

While a server can not kick players for killing on sight, they are free to put "No KOS" or another euqally misleading term in their server title, giving the false impression to naive new players that they will be protected.

 

DayZ should always be brutally difficult to new players, but outright lying to their faces shouldn't be part of the game.

[skyline-gtr 130]

New players aren't coming onto the forums and reading up about server hosting rules. Nor should we ever expect them to do that.

 

I was not aware that you had to go onto forum to get the server rules.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I was not aware that you had to go onto forum to get the server rules.

 

Where else are they posted? In-game?

[doctorwhy 157]

New players aren't coming onto the forums and reading up about server hosting rules. Nor should we ever expect them to do that.

 

 

 

While a server can not kick players for killing on sight, they are free to put "No KOS" or another euqally misleading term in their server title, giving the false impression to naive new players that they will be protected.

 

DayZ should always be brutally difficult to new players, but outright lying to their faces shouldn't be part of the game.

 

True they can put anything they want in the title but here are the server rules. a no KoS server is not a reality.  You shouldn't join one thinking it's going to be puppies and rainbows.

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/158966-dayz-standalone-server-hosting-rules-server-reporting/

 

Here is a list of DayZ Standalone hosting rules as per the Devs:

• You may NOT change your servers slots
• You may NOT password your server
• Your server must contain the version number and whether it is Regular or Hardcore. ie. (Regular|Hardcore) VERSION
• Your server must NOT have a NO KILL policy
• You can NOT kick players on joining, to loot farm or to prevent other players joining
• You can kick if players are being verbally abusive or abusing ingame bugs to gain an ingame advantage.

Hicks has further clarified the following on twitter:

• Server operators MAY frequently restart their rented instances in order to keep the time at a certain point..

Failure to comply with these rules could result in a suspension of your server without a refund. 

 

Servers are caught and shut down as rapidly as can be expected. GSPs deal with them and most if not all have some sort of warning about the above. If you want to expedite the process, write the IPs down and report them to the GSPs directly. If you don't know who hosts it, report it to them all (Multiplay, Gameservers, Vilayer, Fragnet, GamingDeluxe), or find the GSP this way.

Edited February 3, 2014 by DoctorWhy

[skyline-gtr 130]

Try google, everyone uses google right ?

 

Anyways, the whole game is a kick in the face to a new player... So whats new ??

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Holy fuck you two.

 

Doctor, obviously I know the rules. If the rules are you can't run a 'no kos' server, then why the fuck are they allowed to call their server "Badmojos nightmare server - No KOS - ALL PVE ALL THE TIME! FRIENDLIES ONLY!"

 

The point is to mislead players into thinking it's true. There's no benefit to allowing that in this game. Lying isn't good.

 

Skyline, yes the information it out there, it's even on the steam dicussion forum FAQ, but you have to understand that a large majority of new players enjoying jumping right into the game. They don't want to spend hours pouring over countless FAQs and rule lists when they don't even know the first thing about the game. It's just a reality of the world we're living in that new players don't read up prior to playing.

 

So, with that in mind I can't adopt this attitude that while the game is supposed to be difficult and kick you in the face, we should include blatently lying to new players in order to lure them into a false sense of security so they can get killed and rage at the game. When in reality it's not the games fault, it's just a misleading server name.

[skyline-gtr 130]

First I would like a source of your "large majority of new players enjoy jumping right into the game". I think you probably just made that up.

New players actually do read up before making a purchase, I present myself as an example of this. Of course it does not apply to everyone.

 

Will we also ban shouting "Friendly" in an attempt to lure new players into a false sense of security ?

Or having a non-agressive player lead a new player around the map into a a flase sense of security, while his friend sniper lines up a shot ?

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Skyline I'm not sure what your hesitation is towards this. Perhaps you frequent these 'no kos' servers and enjoy the easy pray?

 

To give an analogy, let's pretend the state of California outlawed lifeguards. Then a beach down the road put up a sign saying something along the lines of "Clearview Beach. Lifeguard on Duty". People would expect that "lifeguard on duty" to mean just that, that there's a lifeguard working the beach.

 

Are you going to tell the mother of a drowning child that she should have read the latest state laws and known that lifeguards are now outlawed, therefore that sign is incorrect, but nobody ever plans on taking down the misleading sign, because it brings people to the beach.

[Franchi (DayZ) 146]

90% of "PVE" "NO KOS" servers are run by admin who set up the server specifically to draw in easy kills. The other 10% are packed full of people looking for easy kills.

 

Sucks for new players but most experienced players know to either go there to KOS or stay the hell away from them.