Melee

[KCG 1]

Saw this and the DayZ melee topics came to mind :D

[WildGunsTomcat 78]

Brilliant lol

[deltron3o3o 29]

hunting knife kills = humiliation! plz plz plz add knifing

[Turin (DayZ) 3]

Nice. :D

[KCG 1]

Sledgehammer;

- 1 metre range

- has knock back effect, breaks bones and renders victim unconscious upon successful strike

- found in your run of the mill house/barn/supermarket

- completely silent, aside from the sickening crack of your victim's bones shattering

XD

[Villa Straylight 0]

Stabbing and choppiing are messy affairs in real life. Guns we invented to avoid the ickimess of dismembering and repeatedly stabbing your shrieking and flailing opponent.

Have you guys thought about your expectation of melee vs real life vs current video games and movies?

I wouldn't expect that we will see "video game" style knifings in this game. People would rarely instantly die from a stab wound.

Imagine... You sneak up... Not terribly likely unless the guy is afk... You stab him... He's holding a gun.

You've surely heard the expression "bring a knife to a gun fight"?

How I see it:

Guy 1: have at you *stab*

Guy 2: ouch. That fucking hurt *whirl, shoot*

Guy 1: gak *messy heap of perforated meat hits floor*

Guy 2: *bandage* *rummage backpack, take knife, throw on pile of looted "assassin" knives *

How do you think something like a knife attack will shake out in DayZ PVP?

[Madrauk 0]

Stabbing and choppiing are messy affairs in real life. Guns we invented to avoid the ickimess of dismembering and repeatedly stabbing your shrieking and flailing opponent.

First, no, i'm nearly positive guns were invented to more efficiently kill, it had nothing to do with the squeamishness of the killer.

Second, melee would be invaluable with the new patches zombies and lack of a starting weapon. I've always been thinking you should be able to hack a zombie to pieces with that axe we've all seen lying around.

[Never 237]

You've surely heard the expression "bring a knife to a gun fight"?

Ever since i was young my mum thought i had a screw missing,

cos i'm the type of guy to head to a knife fight with a spoon with him,

blades moving and arms swinging

and people crying out "how is this dude with the spoon winning?"

Sorry on topic,

Agreed it should be messy and difficult to fight hand to hand, more so when your using a 5 inch blade against a blood thirsty psycho that feels no pain.

Kind of half feel there should be some kind of 'one hit kill if not seen' thing though, just to piss off those lazy snipers that aren't careful to check their rears and relocate.

[KCG 1]

Knife? No.

Axe? Yes.

I mean, someone hits you with an axe (like those ones you see stuck in tree stumps by some houses in-game) you're going to lose a limb or have it buried in your chest/head.

The last thing I want to see in this mod in some kind of scripted quick-time event where you press attack by someone with a knife and they can't do anything but watch in horror as you pull their head back an ram a knife into them.

Melee weapons should act like aimed attacks that get weaker with each swing until you've gotten your breath back and have the potential to instantly kill someone or at least severely wound them (bleeding, shattered bones shakes from pain etc).

But hey, I'm happy just fantasising about chasing respawned players through Cherno with a sledgehammer XD

[Never 237]

Knife? No.

Axe? Yes.

I mean' date=' someone hits you with an axe (like those ones you see stuck in tree stumps by some houses in-game) you're going to lose a limb or have it buried in your chest/head.

The last thing I want to see in this mod in some kind of scripted quick-time event where you press attack by someone with a knife and they can't do anything but watch in horror as you pull their head back an ram a knife into them.

Melee weapons should act like aimed attacks that get weaker with each swing until you've gotten your breath back and have the potential to instantly kill someone or at least severely wound them (bleeding, shattered bones shakes from pain etc).

But hey, I'm happy just fantasising about chasing respawned players through Cherno with a sledgehammer XD

[/quote']

Was just an example, feel free to try and batter as many zombies with whatever implements you can imagine. :D

Double barreled ducttaped to a pitchfork. LOL.

(actually NO. really no.)

[Neokolzia 3]

I just wish I could click my knife and it do a butcher command specifically for animals (not zombies) so that I could silently kill animals.

[Scarlet_Blade 12]

Whenever I mess with new players (usually have a makarov) I run around in circles around them and they can't hit me...

Melee might make my fun even more enjoyable :D

[Kolchak (DayZ) 5]

Have you guys thought about your expectation of melee vs real life vs current video games and movies?

I wouldn't expect that we will see "video game" style knifings in this game. People would rarely instantly die from a stab wound.

Imagine... You sneak up... Not terribly likely unless the guy is afk... You stab him... He's holding a gun.

The only time someone gets stabbed more than once and lives is when the person stabbing doesn't know what he's doing. In "crackhead with a screwdriver" cases, yah someone can get stabbed 10 times and live cause they're just swinging wildly and the victim gets a hospital. You get a knife to the spleen once and you're going to be passed out in about 10 seconds from extreme drop in blood pressure/shock, dead in 30 from bleeding out. Knife to the lungs: deflated lung/sucking chest wound. Knife through the neck: carotid gets severed you pass out then bleed out, windpipe collapses, you choke to death on the air you're not getting. That's just with a knife, we're getting a hatchet. One good swing, even with a small hand hatchet directed to the back of your neck, and your spinal chord is severed. you're alive for about 15 seconds after that, realizing you're not breathing because the nerve impulses can't get to your lungs because there's a hatchet blade blocking it. Does it require surprise, yes, but is it far fetched, not at all.

[racecar 0]

Stuff about knives

Pretty sure knife fights are notoriously brutal and deadly; often for both parties. Also, it's a lot harder to stab someone where you want when they are moving around.

Not that any of this matters because Day Z isn't real life.

P.S. The vast majority of stabbings are multiple stabbings.

[Moe King 13]

Bayonets! We need them.

[Villa Straylight 0]

Have you guys thought about your expectation of melee vs real life vs current video games and movies?

I wouldn't expect that we will see "video game" style knifings in this game. People would rarely instantly die from a stab wound.

Imagine... You sneak up... Not terribly likely unless the guy is afk... You stab him... He's holding a gun.

The only time someone gets stabbed more than once and lives is when the person stabbing doesn't know what he's doing. In "crackhead with a screwdriver" cases' date=' yah someone can get stabbed 10 times and live cause they're just swinging wildly and the victim gets a hospital. You get a knife to the spleen once and you're going to be passed out in about 10 seconds from extreme drop in blood pressure/shock, dead in 30 from bleeding out. Knife to the lungs: deflated lung/sucking chest wound. Knife through the neck: carotid gets severed you pass out then bleed out, windpipe collapses, you choke to death on the air you're not getting. That's just with a knife, we're getting a hatchet. One good swing, even with a small hand hatchet directed to the back of your neck, and your spinal chord is severed. you're alive for about 15 seconds after that, realizing you're not breathing because the nerve impulses can't get to your lungs because there's a hatchet blade blocking it. Does it require surprise, yes, but is it far fetched, not at all.

[/quote']

You're taking extremes, ideal circumstances with likely immobile targets. Which I get, given the "sledge hammer" illustration above.

My point was... I woulldnt expect a "modern video game" quick stab mechanic in this game. I would be quite disappointed to see it. The people I've known who were stabbed (three), all survived and were mobile and sentient for quite some time afterward, if shocked. One of them fended off his attacker with a shovel. One of them bled for hours from a face wound before going to hospital.

Anyway, I won't argue that a knife can kill.. I would argue that it's not likely, and nothing close, except in very specific circumstances, going to be a quick kill in the context of this game.

We shall see how this develops. Are you saying that you favor the kind of killing you describe? Instant knife kills? I keep mentioneing knives because someone wished for them above, clearly thinking of current fps games with instant knife kills.

To be honest, I think a hatchet would be more and less deadly. A swung weapon is easier to evade or minimize than a stabbing weapon. But it's got more lovage, more momentum, more weight... Wounds are slashier and less puncture... Still, I'd say you need that immobile target and that lucky shot to instant kill someone with even a hatchet.

Gruesome stuff, though.

[Kolchak (DayZ) 5]

You're taking extremes' date=' ideal circumstances with likely immobile targets. Which I get, given the "sledge hammer" illustration above.

My point was... I woulldnt expect a "modern video game" quick stab mechanic in this game. I would be quite disappointed to see it. The people I've known who were stabbed (three), all survived and were mobile and sentient for quite some time afterward, if shocked. One of them fended off his attacker with a shovel. One of them bled for hours from a face wound before going to hospital. [/quote']

Was just illustrating a point. When someone stabs you in the face, they may want to kill you, but they obviously don't know how. There's not that many large veins and arteries and the only vital organ up there is your brain, surrounded mostly in a casing of bone and cartilage. The groin is a better place than that, lots of large blood vessels, very little bone. If it comes down to either looking like a "crackhead with a screwdriver" or someone who at least knows some anatomy, I'd rather be the latter.

Anyway' date=' I won't argue that a knife can kill.. I would argue that it's not likely, and nothing close, except in very specific circumstances, going to be a quick kill in the context of this game.

We shall see how this develops. Are you saying that you favor the kind of killing you describe? Instant knife kills? I keep mentioneing knives because someone wished for them above, clearly thinking of current fps games with instant knife kills. [/quote']

For me, this is ideal: The knife would take the place of your pistol, and you'd have to have it out to use it. Melee attacks with a knife against players work with the context menu, scroll your mousewheel and select melee. Your character grabs the other and stabs them. If it's from behind it's a hit for 500 blood, an instant bleed, and you are knocked unconscious. If it's from in front, it's just the 500 blood hit, and an instant bleed. Unconscious players can be stabbed again for 1000 blood each time, and the animation would be at least 2 seconds long. This would make a straight out knife melee kill take a few moments to achieve, even with the element of surprise, and also it would make the whole ordeal even more visceral. Imagine your buddy searching through a town with you, he stops talking, you go to check on him and you see some guy crouched over his body stabbing him again and again. You blow his head off with your double barrel and rush over, patching up your friend, barely saving him from death.

To be honest' date=' I think a hatchet would be more and less deadly. A swung weapon is easier to evade or minimize than a stabbing weapon. But it's got more lovage, more momentum, more weight... Wounds are slashier and less puncture... Still, I'd say you need that immobile target and that lucky shot to instant kill someone with even a hatchet.

[/quote']

The hatchet I've seen looks more like a wood axe, and those suckers can lop off your hand if properly applied. I know it's impossible for the arma engine, but I'd love to have some king of Mount-And-Blade-esque melee system that counts the momentum of both objects as they collide. Barring that, swinging the hatchet like it is now makes sense to me. Knife needs more of an up close and personal feel, but the axe is pretty much a medieval weapon on it's own. Just glad we finally have it.

[Hze 3]

Stabbing and choppiing are messy affairs in real life. Guns we invented to avoid the ickimess of dismembering and repeatedly stabbing your shrieking and flailing opponent.

Have you guys thought about your expectation of melee vs real life vs current video games and movies?

I wouldn't expect that we will see "video game" style knifings in this game. People would rarely instantly die from a stab wound.

Imagine... You sneak up... Not terribly likely unless the guy is afk... You stab him... He's holding a gun.

You've surely heard the expression "bring a knife to a gun fight"?

How I see it:

Guy 1: have at you *stab*

Guy 2: ouch. That fucking hurt *whirl' date=' shoot*

Guy 1: gak *messy heap of perforated meat hits floor*

Guy 2: *bandage* *rummage backpack, take knife, throw on pile of looted "assassin" knives *

How do you think something like a knife attack will shake out in DayZ PVP?

[/quote']

dont think you would stab a guy if you snuck up from behind, id slit his throat...

[Naykon (DayZ) 25]

Just need a simple silent kill mechanic with the hunting knife.

Who here in a survival situation would honestly be carrying a full backpack with tins/water, sidearm, rifle, ammunition..... OH AND A SLEDGEHAMMER.... no