Winchester rifle is wrong!

[Murphy (DayZ) 1]

How can you claim the weapon to be OP if it is so readily available? The Winchester is often the first primary weapon looted and gives every noob a fighting chance in PvP. I'm not against any of the suggested changes really, I just think people should not label it as "OP" simply because it is better then some of the more rare weapons. For example the m1014 has a flash light, which makes it loads more valuable then the Winchester. The damage of a slug means newer players who have little to no chance of getting loot from the military drop tables can still stay competitive against other players while being able to cut through the zombie hordes.

The model inaccuracies aside I believe it is quite a useful tool for new comers and veteran survivors alike and as such it fills its intended role perfectly.

[b00ce 5]

If the starter gun is better than the things you get later on, it IS Over Powered . Save for instance, the revolver made all the other handguns pointless because it was better than every other pistol, even most rifles.

This is supposed to be an RPG type game. You're supposed to acquire BETTER weapons as you go along, not find some epic tier gun that overshadows the uber rare and supposedly better/more technologically advanced guns you find way north at the airfield. I regularly turn my nose up to the M1014 and the 870MCS because there's no advantage to grabbing them, ammo is rare-ish, smaller magazines and sights are rubbish.

Making the 1866 take the 8 round 1014 mags instead of the 15 rounders would solve ALL of that and make the military shotguns more advantageous weapons. What would also be nice is increasing the fire rate slightly to make it actually semi-automatic.

This way all the shotguns have an advantage over each other, good sights with the 1866, high fire rate with the 1014 and flashlight with the 870 and ammo is common for all of them.

Problem. Fucking. Solved. :sleepy:

[Dronin 5]

another rifle would be nice, the lee enfield and the cz550 do have uses and are both very good but the winch is by far the best all rounder.

another primary for general noobness would be good, something useable. Although the team are ironing out bugs at the moment, im sure we will see content in the future...

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Making the 1866 take the 8 round 1014 mags instead of the 15 rounders would solve ALL of that and make the military shotguns more advantageous weapons. What would also be nice is increasing the fire rate slightly to make it actually semi-automatic.

this would be a nice change,

Also the newer shotguns to have slightly higher effective range and accuracy.

maybe:

Winchester 0.8 round per sec

1014 2 rounds per sec

870 1.5 rouns per sec

job done ;)

shotgun ammo should be common on farms!!!

[broosy 4]

This:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karabiner_98k

And This:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gewehr_43

Or to be more Realistic in terms of location:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVT-40

The Karabiner 98k more common standard loot, and the semis more "rare" common loot (occasionally found in city's, not as much as the bolt actions)

[Matty (DayZ) 0]

The Winchester is a little OP'd I have to agree.

[Deviant (DayZ) 43]

Not really.

Each "noob" weapon has it's perks.

Winchester has good CQB with pellets, ammo is common.

Enfield is good mid range, drastically under-rated rifle. One shot kills.

CZ-550 is an excellent sniper rifle. Very under rated, night sights are very nice.

Crossbow is most under rated out of everything. Silent kills are SO handy, especially in towns. Can save your life when used in a group.

[Slushie 0]

No, I really think the Winchester is a bit too strong. The Enfield is loud as hell, making it poor for zombies. CZ is practically useless in close quarters. Crossbow might be nice if it were more powerful and if you could retrieve the bolts more consistently; the benefit of silence only goes so far. The Winchester is ridiculously powerful, abundant everywhere, is great at close and mid to long range, and is surprisingly quiet.

It's also unrealistic as the 1866 is not a shotgun but a rifle chambering .44. Plus, I could be wrong, but while it's still reproduced I think it's mostly a novelty gun shot for fun or historical value, not a common self defense or hunting weapon, and especially not in Eastern Europe/Asia. I'd like to see it drastically reduced to a relatively rare weapon, and in its place increase the likelihood of finding more appropriate shotguns like the 870 and rifles like the Mosin. It would certainly boost immersion if not balance.

[colosseum 2]

If DayZ is to be set in Chernarus, the following weapons would realistically be found. Listing the ones that are available in stock A2CO:

- Kalashnikov family (standard-issue military assault rifles)

- Dragunov SVD

- CZ-550 (stands in as a fairly common civilian hunting rifle)

- Revolver (stands in as a fairly common civilian handgun)

- Makarov (used by most east-bloc militaries)

Realistically, I would expect to find these weapons in Chernarus if it was a real country, in addition to the above:

- vz.58 assault rifle

- Mosin-Nagant and derivatives

- Tokarev TT-33

- M1895 Nagant revolver

- PPSh-41/PPs-43 (war surplus)

- Cz-52, Cz-75, Cz-82

- SKS

- Mauser 98k (the Soviets captured quite a few of these and sent them as aid to their allies, Chernarus would surely have gotten quite a few. It is also a fairly ubiquitous rifle design.)

You would likely not see Lee-Enfields or western weapons nearly as much as the "slavshit". If you did it would be on a 1 western to 10 combloc basis.

[Roshi (DayZ) 397]

As a tweak I'd like to see a mild reduction in the availability of winchester ammo - I come across guns that should be better like the SPAS or remington but end up deciding to leave them as i can blat zombies all day with a winchester. Would be good to increase the motivation to change guns. Even a slight increase in some of the other ammo types i.e. For the remington. That's my two cents.

[cyrus231 2]

Just change the name and edit the model a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1887/1901

Currently a version is made by Norinco and Chiappa.

[leodor 35]

How can you claim the weapon to be OP if it is so readily available? The Winchester is often the first primary weapon looted and gives every noob a fighting chance in PvP. I'm not against any of the suggested changes really' date=' I just think people should not label it as "OP" simply because it is better then some of the more rare weapons. For example the m1014 has a flash light, which makes it loads more valuable then the Winchester. The damage of a slug means newer players who have little to no chance of getting loot from the military drop tables can still stay competitive against other players while being able to cut through the zombie hordes.

The model inaccuracies aside I believe it is quite a useful tool for new comers and veteran survivors alike and as such it fills its intended role perfectly.

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This.

[Shalashaska (DayZ) 0]

I am okay with the Winchester, but I would also be okay with replacing it with a double barrel shotgun. I feel that would be a great first tier weapon and more common than a lever action. I would also like to see a Skorpion machine pistol either as a sidearm or primary. I am rolling around with a M14 AIM atm and loving it but if there isn't a higher times scoped M14, let alone the range wouldn't be as great, a Dragunov would actually be pretty cool for a semi auto ranged weapon. I really don't like the .45 acp revolver though, rather it be a .357 with a .38 special as well. As you can only use .38 in the 38 (which the 38 would be quieter and less recoil than the 357, though weaker), you can use both in the 357. Or have a .45 LC revolver, and as mush as I may dislike the idea of this, having a revolver similar to the Tarrus Judge with the capability of using .45 LC or 410 shotgun shells so you can have a limited range spread weapon. Shit, I honestly think they should consider some form of a .22 rifle too. Quieter and better for zombie takeouts than player more or less. Aside from these weapons (I don't feel like explaining these), a G3, Five Seven, extended mag automatic glock, different types of ammunition such as tracer/explosive/incendiary/etc, .45 USP, Saiga 12 or AA12 (now that I think of it these would be insanely op, fast firing rate with 1 hit kills...), M14 EBR, M79 grenade launcher, ability to create a make shit weapon/zip gun if they make guns harder to come by, L85 British bull pup, and a FN FAL. Defiantly find a way to include a Mosin Nagant 91/30 as well.