WalkerDown (DayZ)

I suggest you to turn on your brain before suggesting anything like this. Do you want publicly release a cheat and even worse make it legit because it can help honest admins to catch the cheaters? The absurd part is that you recognize that there are cheaters out there, but without considering that these same dishonest ppl would use this tool for their own (not legit) purpose. You want to give to the cheaters another way to cheat? Are you stupid or just naive? :o EDIT: i didn't figured you had only two posts (...and Member Since Today, 04:18 AM)... i should remove this post, since you're probably a troll. :)

With all those 12yo kid admins out there.. i won't give em a spectating tool: they will turn it instantly from anti-cheat tool to the opposite, using it for cheating themself with their own baby-clan (if it's not already happening...).

After 2 days.. i can say. Beside my consideration about the temperature (it really adds something to the gameplay), i've figured that it is a way too extreme how it works: i've applyed infinite heat packs, they doesn't works (tried on different servers), so i've managed to recover the temp only using the fire.. but as soon you put it off, the temp goes low too fast. I believe that raise the lower temp a little would help the gameplay. The food is very scarce... that isn't a bad thing tho, but then we need a more common cooking set (knife, hatchet, matches) to hunt the animals or the only way to hve food remains to kill anyone on side hoping he's carrying some. And.. cheaters again.. sorry to point the obvious, but i never seen a concentration of cheaters like i'm noticing in this map.. it seems that any script kid migrated here for whatever reason (isn't even the best map for pvp).

Very nice map and environment. The cold really adds up to the gameplay, giving you a new challenge: now camping with a sniper rifle from the top of a mountain isn't that easy, in example last night a guy was camping out there, after a while he has been forced to run up a fire to raise his temperature (prolly he finished the heat packs) .. and bang, he got smashed in like 2 minutes, giving out his position. Eerything good so far... after Panthera, another "good" map on the scene. There's only one thing wrong: the cheaters. This is not map related, but they are really ruining everything here.. car spawned, teleporting, and all this shit totally ruins the immersion and after a while you just quit. This game could be so cool... but unfortunately there's no solution.

I'm very curios to know how you will defend me from a remote kill hack or a mass server nuke.

About 5 hours with my team... then we gave up.. sadly coz the map (as scenario) isn't that bad.

Got banned from this server, i guess from a sort of auto server tool (anticheat or whatever).. dunno if the server admin is on this forum, but im curious to know how it works, and how the cheater managed to ban me (assuming it was the cheater/hacker). The facts: I were flying with the choppa and 2 mates aboard, suddendly we got shot from the ground by a guy with a machine gun.. so i fastly moved away, some second after again.. so i moved again.. and so on.. so i figured that someone was teleporting behind us or using a sort of speed-hack or whatever, so i move far away in the sea (around 2km from the coast). The (brainless) cheater at that point shown up and told me that i would never land because he would have killed me .. basically admitting he was cheating.. so i told him that i would have died with the choppa. He then killed me with a sort of remote kill hack/script ... but then i've been banned from the server with the message "Admin ban: remote script restriction" .. or something like this. The question is: is this some known "hack"? I mean someone is capable of banning someone else exploiting the admin rights? Or he injected a sort of script to let the server believes that i was cheating/scripting/whatever? And no, there was no (regular) admin on the server of course. (the cheater nickname and the hour will be communicate privately to the admin.. eventually, if he's around here)

Much potential but too many issues: - Glitches everywhere: i've died tenth times in one hour for no apparent reason, to discover after that it was about certain buildings and trees: going anywhere near to those, will cause a breaking bone and an insta-dead. - Map is a way too heavy: it must be because of so mant trees.. but this is the first map where my FPS went down to the ground (and i'm running two 570). - Few or no vehicles: initially i tought it was cool, that it would have opened to a new gameplay.. but then i discovered that the map is almost big as chernarus (or a little less).. - That "penalty" .. i dunno where it comes from and anyway it doesn't works as expected: i received a penalty the first time i've played (!), the other time the timer went down to minus (300 or more..) and stuff like this. - G36 everywhere.. cmon really? Basically 90% of players have a G36? What about some variations? The map is well designed.. apart some building that looks unfinished with awful textures, but atm is almost unplayable.

Isn't something that we already have with... Lingor.. Panthera.. and the whole rest.. already?

Not sure what's exciting about these pics.. it looks exactly like the current mod (gfx wise). On the other side i'm hoping to test the stand alone version soon, whenever i believe that graphically it wouldn't be different than the current mod.. (i don't care .. i'm interested to the gameplay).

None is "whining" about anything.. we're trying to not divide the community (as it happened initally with Panthera): if you create a "closed" version of a mod already out, there will be TWO mod circulating (with no difference for the final users) that will be uncompatible. This is why we asked (Vilayer.. but it can be anyone) to arrange these modifications with the original creators, so there will be ONE version for anyone, and it will be open: any server (even outside the vilayer network) can download and use it. The map issue is another matter (it was about the commercial license...). Vilayer is free to release (close) its own map of course.. in example if they hire a map creator and modder they can create a exclusive vilayer map and have any right on it (none would be against it). So that's the full story.. and it looks like there won't be any problem in the future.. so no more "drama".

Lee, i do not have anything to earn or to loose as normal player.. my toughts are: 1) Yes Lingor (development) died.. but the map is working fine and is played by many users (it's the most played map, if we exclude chernarus). If you create your own version now, you're going to divide (again) che community. I'm sure the original developer won't care at all honestly.. he "hacked" it, so that's not the problem, but the different versions will create a division. My suggestion is to: RELEASE the new files to the public, so who's running his own server can upgrade. 2) I'm not sure, from your answer, if you contacted the creator of the map.. did you get authorized by IceBreakr this time? The original lingor.tk developers did not because they weren't making money of it (yes they tried.. but failed.. so it's the past) and all the servers out here are "free", but if you want to advertise your servers using Lingor map i think (MY OPINION) that you should ask him first. If you follow these two steps im sure that NONE here will have to say anything.. in fact we're not against your business, we're interested to the community (well.. me at least).

Did you not learn Lee...? Not being able to get in touch with the original creator, doesn't mean you're automatically authorized to modify it (im talking about the spawn points code.. and all this stuff.. not about DayZ or the map itself). On the other side, i hope you contacted the map creator this time (and yes.. he's the same creator of Panthera).

Do you mean passworded servers.. because "private hive" have the same amount of cheaters aboard .. or even more (coz ppl are usually banned on a single server if caught).

I know the engine ... that's it. I'm just telling ppl to not raise their expectations to the sky, or they will be deluded. I'm just pointing em to a realistic scenario: be prepared. Coz i've seen ppl here believing that the cheaters will magically disappear, since the "scripting" will be stripped out.. well not, the WHOLE engine is based on scripting, they are closing it to the final user, but they cannot eliminate it from the game. To have some chances of limiting the current number of cheaters, they needs to rewrite the engine from scratch (so those hackers wouldn't have a base to start from), but it's something that you can't do in the given time-frame (and money wise).

I may be pessimist.. but i do not see anything different by now, i mean between the current mod and the expected early version of the stand alone game. I'm convinced that the game mechanic will be the same, and the cheaters will be there as well, maybe we won't have teleports and vehicle spawn, but god mode and ESP will be there.. and this is bad.

There's something called "Copyright" and "Terms of Use". These are restrictions put in place by the original author that limits the usage (destination) of a work. DayZ is free, but i cannot use it for my own commercial activities without the author permission. In example i cannot create my own game, then "rip" the DayZ contents to include them into my own product just because it is free: IT IS FREE TO BE USED for non commercial purposes, it's not free to be used for whatever you want, unless you ask the permission to the author. Anyway that's not the bad part (not completely), in fact when they started to host Lingor island none said anything... the bad part is when they started to get those mods (maps and dayz code), rip their contents, adding their logo, changing the keys (making it not compatible with the original version), and claiming that they were "offered by Vilayer". This is the worst part for the community.. not the commercial activity (i don't think that anyone cares if Vilayer is makin money or not..), but the attitude of taking advantage of free work by Vilayer for its own commercial purpose. DayZCommander is promoting (directly) this, and it shouldn't be supported by this website, because this is not helping the community at all. Again: in the short term it looks great, in a couple of months you'll have IceBreaker (and others) not releasing anything for free if we continue with this sort of legalized stolen.

They re-signed the map and the mod.. otherwise this thread wouldn't exists at all (like it didn't existed before.. with Lingor in example). Stop posting nosense... and if you're trolling, you're bad at it.

Some questions that would be nice to have answered.. and apparently they have been answered: - Why releasing those mods "repacked" (ie: Panthera) when they could have relased the "original" mod. This has been replied: it was a matter of "incompetence" (i'm not being offensive here, i mean that the owner/hoster didn't know about the map keys). - DayCommander is completely "free" and driven by the community or is it financed (someway) by Vilayer now? It would be nice to know (publically). ========== Anyway it seems that they understood the mistake now.. and they are gonna ask for the permission to the map owners (for the commercial usage); and they are going to use the public versions, without creating multiple instances of the same mod (ie: using the original Panthera...), so you don't have to browse between different mods to join that particular server.

Instead of quoting many msgs, i try to make some points, a sort of Q&A(it's my personal opinion of course...): Q: Legally, can Vilayer using those maps (we're talking about the maps for now, not the mod) in that way? A: Nope, they can't. They are using those maps for marketing purposes (if you browse the home page they are promoting their servers using these maps as a "feature"), this makes it a "commercial use". Q: Is that bad? A: For the map maker it is: if you make something for free, for the community, you would not like to see it used for commercial purpose, this is not only illegal, but it's demotivating. Q: Is it that bad for the communit? A: Today is not: as a normal user, you'll find the map, you'll play it. In the long term it will be, because the creator may not continue to create new contents for free, since his natural conclusion would be: "if that guy is making money using my work.. at this point i will make money myself!". Q: What else is doing Vilayer that doesn't good? A: it is modyfing the original mod, making it incompatible with the original version. If you analyze the original Panthera and the Vilayer Panthera mods, you'll see that most of the loot spawns coords matches perfectly: they literally RIPPED the work done by someone else, rebranded it, added something new (ie: some vehicles spawns) and made it "exclusive": so if you install the original mod you cannot join their server, but even worse: if you install their mod you cannot join the "original" server. Is this illegal? Probably not, it's against the community principle. Q: So why blaming at DayZCommander? A: DayZCommander decided to include Vilayers maps instead of the original ones, so it is promoting the above "activity" (in part illegal, in part just "evil"), it is also promoting the Vilayer server renting (there's a dedicate button on the main page of the app). Are DayzCommander devs doing anything illegal? Absolutely not, but (IMO) they doesn't deserve to be on the dayz webpage: they are promoting a commercial product (Vilayer hosting), pushing their "evil" (and in part illegal) politic. Q: What's the solution? A: it is VERY simple. Vilayer can continue to host anything they wants. They just need to ask for the PERMISSION to the map owner (if the map is used for commercial purpose: marketing) and they DOESN'T have to modify the work made by someone else: why making a "branded" version when there's already the mod available? So the community isn't fractured between two versions of the SAME map and you can join any server you want (you're not "forced" to go on the Vilayer network).

Some is taking something for free << this is the only correct part of your message. But making money with it (this is already wrong, legally, since those map cannot be used for commercial purpose): in the moment you attract potential customers with someone else work, you're using it for commercial purpose. No matter what's the price, we're not talking about the price here. Not only this, they are MODIFYING the mod, making it not compatible with the original one. Why you should do that if the SAME mod already exists? If you don't see anything wrong into doing this, then i don't think there would be any space to discuss with you further. Thanks.

That was my tought until i realized what's happening here... what you have said above is possible WITHOUT taking someone else work, rebrand it, and make it exclusive (incompatible with the original one), then "damaging" (indirectly) the community, and who's actvely supporting it, while you're making money from someone else work. Because they are supporting what Vilayer is doing: if you add to the list ONLY their fake version of the maps, a normal user is invited (forced) to go on their servers, this makes you evil exactly like Vilayer.

Some, here: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?100135-Jungle-Wars-Island-of-Lingor&p=2238097&highlight=#post2238097

Almost nothing has changed: you can verify yourself. They added some waste here and there to make it different (on the paper), if you look at the loot spawn points, even the coordinates have been copied. I experienced the same situation as yours, this is why i opened this thread, to expose the facts: as soon i discovered Panthera i installed it, i played it, and i loved it... after some days i were asking myself why we had only so few ppl aboard, the map is fantastic... but then after i've realized that i were running the "wrong" version (notice "wrong") .... while in reality i were using the CORRECT version and many others were using the wrong one "magically created" by Vilayer, simply because DayZCommander (used by many that doesn't want to manage with the files manually) were distributing the "fake" one! Now it won't change anything for me.. or for anyone else... in the end we are final users, who cares if you play the original one or the fake one, but as i explained in a previous post: we got "free" contents because of the passion of the creators, if those free contents are kept, modified (a banner added), repacked, and sold by someone else, we're not going to have these brilliant contents anymore. So while today it looks fantastic to have so many RIPPED maps, tomorrow you'll blame at em when none is going to "port" anything anymore. Why Vilayer didn't just used the ORIGINAL maps? We had Panthera already, why they copied it, making it uncompatible with the original one? Answer: to exclude the original creators.. and THIS is bad.

The question has been exposed in many thread.. but until this website directly or undirectly promotes that tools, unfortunately, the new user will use it.. believing that those maps are the "real" ones, without investigating further, creating a sort of monopoly. For the final user it won't change much.. initially.. but as soon those creators will realize that their work is going to be stolen for commercial purpose, they will STOP to create more contents (or simply porting) and game won't work anymore.. neither for Vilayer, neither for ourself. Vilayer is damaging this community, and DayZCommander is helping them to do so.