tommes

They should do client optimization first I guess. That should happen before retail. Actually before Beta, hence Beta usually means "feature complete".

One could get the feeling that for some people switching to 3PP activates the Arma3 engine. It doesn't on my computer. Only the point of view changes.

This here reminds me a lot of the discussions around using certain perks (martyr, berserker i.e.) and weapons (noob tube) in CoD:MW. It was looked down upon by anybody with some decency and using this kind of stuff got you kicked from some servers. But many argued like "But it's part of the game..." Yeah, it is. A really annoying part that should've never been put in a multiplayer mode. It's a pity that players these days are so conditioned to having that kind of bullshit in a video game they don't even realize how ridiculous that makes everything.

You are not making anything better.

The way you guys (try) to argument. Made me lose any respect.

It's not game breaking if you don't care about the changes in game play introduced by the availability of 3PP. For me it breaks common sense and therefore transforms DayZ into just another video game with ridiculous gameplay.

Well, in the last couple of pages the 3PP crowd revealed their true colors again. No point in talking to them.

It happens. On short to medium range it can do the job if there's a crosshair or the guy has the skills...or simply luck.

It doesn't touch the core issue of someone being able to lie on top of some building or wherever and scoping out the vicinity with nobody even having the slightest chance of spotting him.

FOV is one thing. 3PP another. It is almost 180° where most of it is peripheral. It does that in a totally unrealistic manner. Over, around, through...without having to expose oneself. As said many times before 3PP is a crutch, a quick & dirty fix to get around the shortcomings of present technology, that arises some problems in itself. Many of us consider these 3PP made problems as the bigger ones.

It is plausible and at least not unrealistic.

Well, you don't seem to comprehend the concept of a public hive or that many people don't want to be locked to a certain server. Being able to have your character on a wide variation of servers is a great thing. It is something adding massively to the experience, escpecially if you play in a group regularly. Sure it rises several problems, or more accurate, options for misuse and exploitation, but that will be addressed in the future.

That logic is quite inconsistent.

Have you ever played online games before? Have you ever searched for a decent server?

Depending on the situation only one party has the benefit. But it is not a balancing issue. Let's assume magic spells would be implemented in DayZ. Would be balanced...and ridiculous. Depending on the spells and the situation overall and combat behaviour would change quite dramatically to something not even remotely realistic. Well...one magic spell is already included in present DayZ...the magical floating eye...

It adds the feature of beeing able to transfer your character to many servers. The associated problems are well known and will be addressed later on hopefully.

With a central hive you can play with your character on every connected server. You have one character, one live, sort of one world and therefore permadeath. That was a signature feature in the beginning of DayZ.

Egg or hen? There was some choice. Then it was gone. For example, DayZero had a couple of 1PP only servers out there. A couple of weeks later they were gone. Don't know the reason, but I guess players went somewhere else. Hopefully more players will go that path. If the polls are right there should be enough players to populate enough servers.

If they'd actually chosen to go on 1PP only servers there'd be no problem to discuss here. That's the one good argument the 3PP crowd is making. If we'd actually populate the 3PP:off servers, there'd be no problem anymore. But in fact...not in poll...players chose to leave them relatively abandoned.

I don't get why navigating in 1PP appears to be so difficult for many people. You do that all your life. Ok, in video games you have to compensate some stuff but that's only a matter of getting used to it. A lot of people have done that already. So don't be late to the party! This discussion is up and running...and running...because 3PP actually hurts the 1PP only crowd unless we can achieve a critical mass in players not compromising for 3PP enabled servers because of their friends or unpopulated servers. Most players currently aren't aware of the issues in gameplay risen by the existence of 3PP and therefore don't care. Through these discussions more and more people wake up and swing to the 1PP only side...or at least to "I'd play 1PP only, if I had to".

We had a pretty good solution back then in September. It's really effective in eliminating all the exploits, doesn't use computing ressources and absolutely no development time. It's switch 3PP off. Even Ken Bean said it's no problem playing 1PP only.

You think his points are good because they're the same as yours. But compensating the shortcomings of FPV with a magical floating camera 10 feet up and behind is like compensating for missing logic with magic...or religion.

I would't call combat with 3PP unfair and unjust. It is simply common sense breaking and therefore ridiculous. And it favors the use of lame tactics. That's basically all to it. We should keep emphasizing that and leave all the crappy argumenting for the other side to make.

Not entirely correct. Most people actually play on 3PP enabled servers. The majority just would deal with 3PP disabled if they had to.

You're right. My monitor doesn't see shit. It's got no eyes.