tommes

Who cares? Nobody said it's impossible to sneak up on someone using 3PP. It's just way harder because of broken common sense which then leads to ridiculous behaviour like combat mikado. This again is an example why you guys are so aggravating. Completely ignoring the main issue and arguments while picking on side issues and posing as the one and only winner there. Get to the point man! The point is how to make 3PP acceptable for both sides? Stop playing grumpy cat! You're not as cute.

WHY?

It's a DayZ like button.

I'd be fine with the 4th wall with maybe motion blur or something. Enough population on 3PP:off servers would do the job as well. I'd rather play with likeminded folks anyway and it seems that camp is growing since this debate around Dyslexi's video.

That's because of you. And your other account. And the other guys not beeing able to contribute to the topic.

It was once an argument for DayZ to be unforgiving, brutal, survival, zombie, apocalypse... DayZ was never advertised as beeing joyful or enjoyable and it would be out of logic having this superhard unforgiving survial horror game and then making it nice and fluffy...maybe even family friendly...

Counterstrike has gotten old. I don't care for it anymore. I've never cared much for BF. Especially not the newer ones. Too much bullshit. CoD as well. There simply was no game that I was interested in until DayZ came up...and it had none of the bullshit of the AAA titles...loads of other BS sadly...but it still offered a unique experience and extraordinary intensity of firefights. You don't figure out by yourself how a multiplayer game is to be played. Sadly some people always will do everything in their power to piss on the experience of others. If there's a way to exploit something, there will be some exploiting it. If there are succesful but lame tactics, some or many will use them. They only care about their own experience. Their own success. They do not care how this will affect all the others. They are not interested in a fair fight but only in winning. As someone providing virtual playgrounds you have to fight this trend vigorously or your game will be a noobish slugfest with no signs of intelligence in gameplay.

First of all I'd appreciate if you would leave the quote at the top, as it is standard in discusson boards like this. It's a little weird the other way. Then I'd appreciate if you'd stop making assumptions about my playertype, personality or just at all. Youtube-Videos brought me to DayZ. It was still relatively fresh then. The existence of 3PP did neither draw me in or drive me away. Perspectives just weren't an issue back in the day. I was, just as the majority of players still is, for a long time oblivious to the problems that the availability of 3PP arises. Then Dyslexi made his excellent video making a very good case which made many more people aware of this. Hopefully the movement is strong enough to ensure good enough availability of 3PP:off servers in the future.

We had that one already back in the massacre of a thread in September. A lot of people play and buy first person only titles.A lot of the DayZ players would deal with 3PP being removed after the initial outcry and just do fine without it.Developers would be forced to improve the 1PP only experience.1PP in Arma2 or DayZ is not as bad as the 3PP camp wants it to be for the sake of their cause.But yeah...the kid has already fallen into the well here. People have become so used to 3PP if taken away they would experience a cold turkey. Rocket is aware of that. As it seems he's trying to figure out a way to make more people go a "more hardcore" (his terms) route. We will see. I haven't bought into SA yet anyway. I rather play Farm Heroes Saga for the time beeing.

It works like that. We rather play 3PP:on than alone...because running around in barren Chernarus is boring like fuck. Not even watching the ass of my character model alleviates that boredom. Without player interaction I'd rather play Candy Crush than DayZ.

There won't be "no PvP servers" in the official hive. It is not part of the DayZ idea to have even "no PvP zones". If ever somebody sets up such private servers I couldn't care less. I will make sure not to join one.

DayZ is not Movie Maker and the stories are mostly pretty lame except for the fights.

I never got bored of a game just because it was 1PP only. Quite the contrary. The availability of certain viewpoints is no issue at all there.

The opinion tags again missing? Sorry for that. There should be a function for that in the forum software. However, I'm aware that here are many people who like 3PP combat. I'll try to avoid them as good as possible.

Sure. But it is one key argument that pops up continuously. Never knew there were so many people suffering from motion sickness by playing 3D games. Don't get me wrong! I'm not saying this ain't an issue. I just think some people just became aware of their "disease" since this is been discussed here...

You should only know what your character would be able to know. So no kill messages, but nametags on short distance ( maybe inside 25 m) if your characters have met and introduced themselves. Otherwise there's no tag or maybe "unknown". This could represent the capability of recognizing people which is works pretty well in real life but is barely possible with the limited character models in the game yet.

We don't know. The 4th wall isn't changing the grafics This has been explained A FUCKING LOT! Yet hordes of people are physically (or otherwise) incapable of playing it that way...

I'm trying to keep it on the light side. All sensible talk is done. If you force people to make sense this thread will be dead again anyway. All possible...and a lot of impossible...solutions have been brought up several times each. The rest is...as typical amongst children...a contest of who can show bigger stubborness.

I have internet access at work, but a hot girlfriend at home.

Sure it does. In my opinion. Sorry I forgot the Opinion tags, that have to be associated to every statement of opinion, because otherways everything is fact... Our secret plan is to force 3PP players on our turf and then drive them crazy with face to face KoS'ing. Then we flame them for whining in the forums for further humiliation. It's not that we like playing games. We're just here to rob others of their childish fun.

Yeah! You're so fucking cool. We can stop discussing stuff now and just do as you say, because you are the only one here born before the interwebz... That "Don't whine, you loser!" thing often beeing used in such discussions makes we wanna punch people in the face. Pointing out that something is bad is not whining and it obviously needs to be done. It is not up to you to define what kind of game this is. It has PvP in it. PvP with 3PP is shit.

Would you please bother to read the fucking thread first? And maybe the one we had back in September. There's a link somewhere here in this thread. It has been explained a lot of times. I'm tired of doing it over and over again for every "fresh spawn" here.

Sure they do. The majority is a mindless bunch with no clue, no honor, no decency. Only the good players with standards for themselves develop a code of honor and refrain from using lame items and tactics. As usually you didn't get the point. It had not much to do with "hardcore" or not but all with enabling the player do really annoying stuff to all other players outside any sensible manner. It is a mulitplayer game! It is not about you alone and therefore not everything is your personal decision. The playground has to be kept level to ensure a decent gaming experience. Just as certain rules have to be enforced to make sports not a simple waste of time for both, participants and audience. So why are they fighting for life to keep 3PP the way it is? Why do they have a problem with the 4th wall? I just want to play games without bullshit in it. The problem is, there are virtually none. On the contrary. All the present games seem to try to accumulate as much bullshit as possible to make it appealing to the present day gamer. I thought DayZ would be such a non bullshit game and made me come back to gaming after not playing anything for more than a year.

They don't develop stuff for certain servers. The develop stuff for views. If they decide to have 2 different views in their game, then they have the obligation to do stuff for both! They have to make mask vision for 1PP anyway, because non of the 3PP advocates will play without it.

Because some people here are not fit for discussion.