Desperate times call for desperate measures. You didn't get charged with murder by a prosecutor, so there's no need to argue self defense ;] And he might argue he was shooting a zombie that was right behind you when you viciously attacked him :] You killed a man in cold blood, murderer. ---- Edit: On a serious note, I was pretty sure that after a certain number of murders you generate a bandit kill for whoever happens to kill you. I was under the impression that the only thing removed from the game was the bandit skin. You have source on the whole system being scrapped?