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I think there is lot of players (like Mercules) who has friends that wont play FPV only servers and then he has no choice than play with TPV or play without hes friends. That sucks big time! But im also sure there is a lot of players that are just too lazy to do something about the fact that there is no good populated FPV only servers out there and submits to the TPV enabled servers or just waits for standalone. The situation where Mercules is with his friends is a big problem. This problem should be fixed somehow. I hope the TPV fixes in standalone will at least narrow down the advantage from TPV vs FPV players.

You quoted this post from me: And answered with pointing out a fact: So i thought that you did not understand the difference between fact and opinion in my post, so i explained it. Nothing else...

Lol, im not saying exploits are not facts. Im saying if a player thinks TPV is better than FPV even if there is exploits, that my friend is an opinion.

This is a tricky problem and i understand why you want TPV removed from Standalone. I just think there should be better way to deal with this problem than force huge amount of players to play FPV only. I have no solution for this and the same time i think its unfair to disable TPV from all players. I also think its stupid to debate which view is better or the right way to play. These are opinions, not facts.

Your situation is unfortunate. I think most of FPV players dont have the same problem so the problem is unpopulated FPV only servers.

Just to make things clear: Is the TPV problem for FPV players only when there is not enough servers/players for FPV only? And the situation at the moment is that you have no choice than join TPV enabled servers? Or is there some other agenda why you want to force everyone to play with FPV? What im saying is if the playerbase was divided equally for the two views you would be happy? EDIT: And you want to make sure that what happened with the mod (only TPV enabled servers) wont happen with standalone, so you want TPV to be removed from standalone?

Never played Raven Shield but sound like it has exactly the kind of system i would like to have in DayZ. Then i only need one major thing for FPV and im ready to go. You should be able to see through bushes, branches and leaves when you are inside a bush/tree. This would make it limitless enough for me to join FPV only server. There is lot of minor tweaks i would do but these two are the most important.

Thats not what i said. So if i prefer to use TPV and prefer to use its exploit its not my personal prefernce over FPV if its not the way developers intented? This sounds a bit weird.. should i learn more english? There must be some kind of misunderstanding. I agree all this. But in my opinion TPV can not be fully fixed, and the FPV should be fixed or make it much better. If Dean Hall wants to keep TPV in the game then he should try to fix it as much as possible. If he wants to remove TPV he should do lot improvements on FPV. Either way i think he should improve FPV. FPS games in general. Nice story bro. While staying hidden on these games might make you better player than average its not automatically the only right way to play it. Just like DayZ. People like and PREFER different kind of playstyle for different reasons. These are games, they are here to entertain us. Its up to us, players to decide how we are going to enjoy them. And there is difference in staying hidden (FPS in general) and actually hide from something most of the time (DayZ).

Whit this it would go to right direction but would still be a little limited and clumsy. Why not keep the three basic stances and add "free peak" system similar to free look? I would love it and i think so would a lot of people.

DayZ is not like any other FPS. In DayZ you want to remain hidden from Z'ds and from other players. You want to sneak and so on. Knowing your surroundings is really important in this game and TPV gives you that. I dont like the exploits in the game, and i would like to play FPV only. I just dont get enough information when its so limited. And FOV is not an issue, ability to look around without expose yourself too much is the issue here. Traditional first person shooters dont need same awareness, they are more straight forward with more action. I not playing DayZ like a first person shooter. I try to survive, try not to die. To accomplish with that goal i need to remain hidden and be aware of my surroundings.

My problem with FPV is that its so limited. Im so in love with the free look system in Arma that i cant play other similar games without it. It seems so stupid that if you are running north you have to turn your whole body to see whats up in the west. Its kind of same thing with FPV when hiding. If you cant just peak a little exposing only your forehead and eyes it seems so stupid and broken to me. I HABE TO rise up to my knee and expose whole upper body to see over obstacles. Yes its hard, and yes its less unrealistic than TPV. I just cant live with that. I would love to play FPV only but its too broken for me now.

I understand YOUR point of view to this matter, i understand why you think FPV is worse than TPV. I think its the other way around. It is not a FACT matter. If you make "rule" to remove TPV you are forcing people to choose YOUR way. I explained on the other post this already. I dont fail to see this. I agree. People who play FPV only in servers that has TPV enabled are in disadvantage. The solution is not to remove TPV from the game, the solution is FPV only servers. And its up to YOU (thousands of FPV lovers) to populate them. Simple as that, end of story.

Well yeah, TPV is broken, but so is the FPV, thats a problem for me. And this is another thing what people dont understand when debating with me. They just see "aa, this guy prefers TPV *blank*...". TPV is not perfect, far from it, but its a fun way to play, and for me its not wrong if everyone can do it and everyone knows how to do it. And please dont bring up the wallhack example, its just stupid. I agree when things go south like it has gone with the mod. There should be players in FPV only servers for you guys. When Standalone comes, and there is TPV in the game, if it seems all the players want to play TPV you guys should make a stand and populate the FPV servers right from the start and stick to it. You guys say that most of DayZ players wants to play FPV only, IT SHOULD NOT BE HARD TO POPULATE FPV only servers! I agree. The only problem is you cant peak over obstacle in FPV just sticking your head out. As i have explained many times, this is the problem in FPV and the reason i prefer TPV.

BIG FAIL to understand my post. Read it again with actually using your brains, might help. Oh, what the hell, you wont understand no matter how many times you read it. I'll give you a hint. FACT = TPV is exploitable, YOUR OPINION = FPV is better. Understand the difference? Now with these two in mind try to read my post again. The more i read your posts and comments the more im sure you are trolling most of the time... Same thing here. It is a personal preference if a player choose to play/like certain camera view, no matter which view is less broken or intended for the game. And to be clear, im not saying TPV should not be fixed (or removed), or FPV should not be fixed or whatever. It seems to me that more and more of you FPV lovers fail to understand that no matter how unrealistic or exploitable TPV is, it is not automatically and magically wrong way to play the game, yes from your point of view it is of course. You all just think of your selves, you really should think other people too. So self centered... well thats the way this world goes around now days.

Its not about understanding you. I do understand your points. But you still avoid answering my questions. Thats funny. And other thing thats funny, your opinion is that TPV is bad because of the view exploits and FPV is good because you cant exploit views. This is YOUR opinion. It does not magically transform from YOUR opinion to FACT because you can explain how TPV has exploits and FPV dont. There is a huge amount of players out there who wants to play with TPV. Its not your place to make "rules" and take that TPV away from all those players because of your personal preferences. This is what most of you dont understand. You just make these little polls and say "see, most of people wants to get rid of TPV and most of those who dont would play the game anyway". And these polls are like 1% or less from all of the DayZ playerbase... You understand this? Pobably not.

This is true. And if it was TPV only like this i would be sooo disappointed! I prefer TPV at the moment but i cant live without FPV when shooting or moving through bushes and trees. With the current views most enjoyable way to play is to switch between the views as you go. I hope both views stay in the standalone.

So could you please quote your answers or answer again because i cant find them: 1. If there was only FPV people would stop hosting this joke version of DayZ fun deathmatch? Or people stop playing KoS PvP? 2. And tell me how i dont understand the mechanics of decent and fair gaming? 3. And how is these things a FPV vs TPV issue?

Why you dont answer my questions? This happens a lot at this forum so often.

So let me get this right. If there was only FPV people would stop hosting this joke version of DayZ fun deathmatch? Or people stop playing KoS PvP? And tell me how i dont understand the mechanics of decent and fair gaming? And how is these things a FPV vs TPV issue?

Are my points lies? 1. 1st person view is unrealistically limited and if they would fix it i would prefer FPV over TPV. 2. 3rd person view has its exploits and it is unrealistic. I can live with that over FPV limitations. (I rather see more than i should vs less than i should) 3. When im defending/playing TPV im not talking about crossahirs, nametags or playing without ironsights/scopes. I ran around TPV but i wont get any other help, i have to shoot with sights unless the target is like few feet from me. 4. There should be option to choose from FPV and TPV. Those who WANT to play FPV can play on 1st person only servers. FPV should be fixed and properly promoted to get more players. 5. I dont have fair solution for those who want to play FPV only and with friends that wont play FPV only. Makes me feel bad for these people. Its fun to repeat myself all over again and again and again... 200 pages in september?

And what exactly did you correct?

Agree. Better to have one season for great quality than 10 seasons for crap. But you could have 10 seasons for really good quality if you gear it a little bit towards masses. Thats what im talking about with DayZ. Its not just for hardcore fans or just for masses, you can make successful compromise. And i strongly feel 3rd person view option is one of them. I really hope they focus on getting the 1st person view better and less limited and from that path 1st person only servers would get more players.

Unless you play on 1st person only servers...

Why exactly?

Yes, this is a good point also. Was thinking the same thing.