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Let me provide another example. Player A is in the barracks, in the corridor, about to leave. Player B is outside the front door, to one side, and is facing the front wall, manipulating the camera so he can see inside. Player A cannot do that to look outside because he is inside a building. In first person player B would have to go into the doorway to see, or lean.

How many more times am I going to read 'everyone can exploit it' so it's ok. Are you guys that stupid? If player A is on the ground and player B is on an apartment roof laid prone, and they are both in 3rd person, how is it fair that one can see the other without even getting up?? If player A is behind a wall, and player B is on the airfield for e.g, player A can periscope over and see him, whilst B cannot see him at all. In first person both times A would have to expose himself to look. That's a level playing field.

And your standards must be even lower to enjoy looking over walls and periscoping off the top of buildings and around every corner of every building. Thing is your problems with 1st person are based on opinion. And our problems with 3rd person are based on fact.

Why did they remove the as50 then, why not make that a server side option? If they can force that, they should force 1st person. Yet to hear a fact about why it is better than 1st. All I hear are cries of 'I want to see my character' 'I get sick'

Having separate servers doesn't solve the flaws of 3dp. Even on 3dp only servers, it isn't fair game. It's a one sided advantage. Man on roof sees man on ground, man on ground can't see man on roof.

Troll?

Point is, even on 3dp only servers, it still isn't a level playing field.

Why should the majority of servers be an easier version of a game that is meant to be hardcore? For bs reasons such as 'I want to see my character' and 'I get sick'. I don't even think 1st person is hardcore, it's normal.

To argue the point about the 3dp camera being fair because 'everyone can use it'.... If somebody is prone on an apartment building he can see a guy on the ground and that guy has no idea he is up there, even with 3rd person. So it isn't fair. If that situation was in 1st person, neither could see each other, the guy on the roof would have to get up and therefore be visible. Just like if player a is behind a wall he can see anyone across the airfield for example without that person being able to see them, even with 3dp. It is only if two players are up tight against either side of the wall that it is fair, and that doesn't happen. So please, stop saying it's fair, it isn't.

There shouldn't be an endgame.

Talking of them, why did they remove the as50's, why not just make them a server option?? Choice anyone?? Bullshit. If they can forcibly remove them, they can forcibly remove 3rd person.

We aren't asking for 100% realism. We're giving good factual reasons why 3dp shouldn't be in the game. I am still yet to hear a valid fact that suggests 3rd person is better than 1st person. First person is no more boring than third person is. How is it boring as hell? That's a matter of opinion. You also put it in a way that suggests you've never played it. Just because you think it might be 'nice to have' is not a valid reason for keeping 3dp and it's unfair advantages as you say. Having as50's might be 'nice to have' as well...

'We want to encourage a hardcore mode' - I wonder why?

People do not buy the game for the use of first person - stop kidding yourself.

GIVE 3DP JUSTIFICATION FACT no? GIVE 3DP REMOVAL

Yet to hear a pro for 3rd person that isn't an opinion. Every single player that plays in 3rd person looks over walls and rooftops and around corners. Every single one. Fact. Those reasons alone are why it shouldn't be allowed. I don't care if you get sick, I don't. That's an opinion. Simple as that. If it was 1st person only would you never play again? I doubt it.

Look at it this way 3rd person players. You're arguments are based on opinion(because our opinion is different). Ours are based on fact. FOV - opinon Headbob - opinon Sickness - opinon Looks nicer - opinion see character - can be seen in inventory camera angle advantage/abuse - fact

That doesn't solve the root issue. 1st person players - force it because of x,y,z 3rd person players - pls don't force it

For you not to agree you must think I am wrong, in which case state on what points am I wrong. It's not about me imposing my playstyle. It's about setting up a convincing argument as to why you should choose one thing over another. Those who play 3rd person are yet to come up with a reasonable point as to why it is better than 1st person. It's as simple as about what you should and shouldn't be able to do. You should NOT be allowed to look off a rooftop whilst laid prone. You should NOT be allowed to look over the top of a wall from behind it. What can you do in 1st person that you shouldn't be allowed to do?

You are missing a valid point Max. Because there is a gameplay advantage (anyone who says otherwise is deluded) to using 3rd person, people will use it and abuse it. And then others feel the need to follow suit to keep up. Consequently you get a lot of stubborn bastards who are reluctant to change because they feel they won't get the best experience. 1st person should be the default setting. If it never had it in the first place I doubt HIGHLY that there would be fewer sales. People didn't buy it because it had 3rd person view. And whilst it may seem we are going around in circles, I see it more as one team scoring lots of goals and the other keeps trying to attack but can't score. Get rid of it.

Note. With all the apartment buildings around, aren't they just gonna be the next firestation roof in third person? GIVE NO 3rd PERSON

I'm still after all these months yet to hear a convincing argument for why 3rd person is better than 1st person. We have proven why 1st person is better. 'I want to see my character' is not a valid argument (you can see him in the inv screen) 'The fov is wrong' (there is now a fov slider)(even though you could change it before) /edit - have to get this one in - 'Everybody can use it' (Bull.Shit! If im in the middle of the runway in 3p, I cannot see the guy behind the wall, yet he can see me! In 1st, we can't see each other.) If they removed 3rd person are people really going to stop playing? I don't think so. You play 3rd person because it's easy and you don't know better. Once you play 1st person you never go back. Try it.

GIVE NO 3rd PERSON

What are the reasons behind server hopping? 1) combat logging 2) to gain loot without travel 3) to log into the same camping spot on different servers (tall buildings) 4) server crashes Anyone else think of any? IMO when you leave a server you should have to wait 15 minutes before joining another. A punishment for 3 of the above, and for the server crashing, well, fuck it 15 minutes isn't a long time + the server could be back up before then. I don't know whether it would be plausible to have characters bound to individual servers, with the sheer amount. GIVE 15MIN TIMER

Stop arguing the case for loot! Server hopping existed on dayzmod, and the loot spawned differently then. Just make persistent characters for every server, its as simple as that. If that can't be done, then make a 15minute timer for every time you join a different server. Encouraging you to play on the same one. I don't give a shit if the server crashes, you can afford to wait 15mins of your life.