The only thing incredible is your inability to read. Nobody said anything about nerfing trees. People can hide very well in there and it is a fact. I can show you at least 4 locations at NW airfield where the complete AS-50 will be hidden, the whole character while maintaining view on 6 of 8 hangars, comm tower, firestation and of course the barracks. You won't see them sitting in there even if you stare a friggin minute through the bino on those trees, but once you take a step outside your little hiding place you will find a hole in your head. And in those situations the L85 was the only thing that gave you a chance. Even if the sniper has one too, you still have a shot yourself. Again snipers in those trees do not need to thermal you at any point. Of course they can but it does not make a huge difference. If you are close to the barracks, you will probably check them out and the only thing he has to do is not being seen. Easily doable, your loss. Someone who says, that the l85 is an awesome detection tool obviously didn't even use it. The scope is pretty strong ( you can even further zoom in with it ), it has problems with windows. Distances blur and there is a ton of other problems, yet still it was useful for counter sniping. And again for the guy that I quoted with an inability to read: Nobody wants to nerf trees. The thing is the only tool to get inside one of the top christmas trees has been removed. Not sure why I do have to put up with people, that obviously have no hotspot knowledge. I am on the NW airfield, Stary every single day for roughly half of my playtime with my sniper buddy in the search for a couple of fights against multiple opponents and we have yet to be defeated. I die once every 2-3 days playing 10h + per day being the one that goes looting.So yes.... give me your scrubknowledge. When I tell you we cannot be defeated by people without L85 to begin with, attacking the NW airfield or stary in any fair way (meaning no serverhopping through all sniper locations, or 8+ people), then I mean it. I lost my L85, I can suck it up. I will just switch to my AS-50 and join the ranks of sniping instead of enjoying the spotter role. Now snipers can breathe a bit more, they will be more common, OHK will be even more common and then you guys come back and cry about snipers anyway. See you in 2-3 weeks, will come with lots of empty waterbottles to catch all your tears ;)