I will personally trust defined distance values over an arbitrary "Did they alert?" test. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That is to bad for you, because when you are using SD ammo in a gun, Zeds won't aggro you even if you are standing right next to them. Players on the other hand will be able to hear you as if you where using normal ammo. Currently I am using a PDW with SD ammo to kills Zeds, but I might change to a G17 since i like the targeting better.