Dekey (DayZ)

You all DC'd, I sat there and watched you do it. I don't mind dying at all. Infact the most fun part of the game is the initial search for gear with nothing but a bandage. I do however dislike DC/ghosters, very much so. But of course it's your word against mine so I guess it is a rather pointless conversation to have. Don't worry there are countless other servers for you to "play" on. And yes yes everyone I am completely aware that Anders doesn't want us kicking/banning for this. As I have said frequently, they know how to reach me if they wish to discuss my rebellious ways in person.

He got the server wrong, He meant LU99. As for not being allowed to ban for DC/ghosting; I am aware of the rules and have stated many times that I will accept whatever consequences there may be for trying to remove this behaviour from my server. But that's an entirely different conversation. So to put an end to this thread: Yep I banned this guy and his 3 friends for DCing in combat and ghosting. I would do it again too. It wasn't so you couldn't get my stuff, I only had shite anyway.

Hmm would this be roughly 2 weeks ago? If you're who I think you are, there were 4 of you with clan tags. You were in the field south of the airfield. Me and another opened fire on you killing 1 and wounding a 2nd then you all DC'd, switched server, moved behind us and killed us. If this is you then yes, yes I did kick and ban you. Don't cheat, it's quite simple. Oh and Babylon: We admins are banning those cheating. We aren't the cheaters. You should be grateful that we are trying to provide you with a better gaming experience.

Or just use Vilayer and get a pre-whitelisted server.

Well defo wasnt me they killed, im on day 13 at the moment.

Erm. You sure you got the right name there? I host LU99. Another Dekey perhaps?...

As amazing as it is, I feel that the DayZdb map already lessens the experience. I really do miss the days of having to actually search to survive instead of heading exactly where you want to go. So no, I don't like this idea.

There isn't one, it just does that when tons of people are trying to DL it at the same time. You basically repeated what I said but told him the wrong battleye.dll

Wasn't last nights update an ARMA beta + Battleye update? There were no DayZ updates as far as I'm aware. You're probably having problems because your BattlEye.dll is now the wrong one or you may be running an old Beta patch. Go download the v1.61.94 945+ BE from here http://www.battleye.com/download.html and the 95054 from here: http://www.arma2.com/beta-patch.php

I find this abuse argument very weak. It's the technical ability to ban someone that is open to abuse, not the consent of the developers to use it for certain things. If there is no faith in banning being used sensibly, remove that feature entirely and leave it to BE. If not, let us use it. Dev need simply be more on top of the reports for abusive admins and actioning their servers instead of tarring us all with the same brush.

Well if he's GUID banned, that wont really help him. You could've received the ban because, despite being your last name, Kraut is an offensive term for a German. A ban does seem excessive though. If you've received a global BE ban (Can't log in to any server at all), you need to contact BE.

The whole point that seems to be constantly missed here is; the only cases proven beyond reasonable doubt here are the ones that I personally encounter. These are also the cases that don't have any form of evidence for me to supply to the devs. So either I take the action myself, or the Devs take my word as evidence and take the action, or I ignore it and let it run rampant on my server. Please think this through Anders.

Well Mr Magoo or whatever your name is. I've exhausted my reasoning patience for the evening so I will leave you with my call out and wish you luck in your vendetta. Enjoy!

Yeah because having significantly less servers to play on would be a great thing for the ever-growing community...

I have evidence enough for it to be beyond reasonable doubt, and as stated, they get a second chance if they appeal. As for the rules. I feel this particular one is misguided, protects the wrong people and hasn't entirely been thought out. Let's remember these guys are developers. I am in no way slighting them when I say this and am making an assumption, but I imagine persistant world moderation isn't something they are substantially familiar with. I on the other hand have had a career in such for many years now so I am quite comfortable with making a judgement call on it. The way I see it: If I can justify my actions to those that are at liberty to question them, I'm comfortable doing that which I feel is correct. I appreciate you disagree entirely and appear to have some personal crusade to correct our terrible, rule-neglecting actions so I will call you out. I am Dekey, I host LU99 and I ban players if they DC on me during pvp engagements. Feel free to bring the attention of the DayZ staff to that statement and I will accept whatever recourse they feel nessecary.

Ok I hand over my "terrible metaphor crown" to AllDayZSimon. ;p

Yep I only do it if it happens to me, because then I have sufficient evidence to action them. If they were so coincidently inconvenienced by an outage or something. They can make a post on the ban appeals forum where I will read it, give them the benefit of the doubt in the 1st occasion and reinstate their access. No harm done. Now those that continue to do it, or simply accept that they got caught out, will no longer be able to access the server. Surely that's good news for all right?

Right, but that's not the case is it? It's not at will, it's when someone DC's to avoid combat. You're basically saying "well it would be a police state if we locked up everyone with knives simply so we can avoid being stabbed" which is correct except we aren't doing that, we are locking up those that are stabbing people. (Terrible metaphor, but its late) If an admin is banning all over the shop to keep their server empty, that's a bad thing sure. But that's an entirely different situation to what we have here.

What I really don't get is why people are so against admins banning people for this. Right or wrong aside; what's the big deal? Why do the opposition care? The admin has a vested interest in keeping their server relatively "exploit" free and a fun place for people to play. So ofcourse they will have their own opinion. But why do people against it care if other admins do it? What effect does it have on them? Just curious.

Yeah, use the correct password.

I also ban for this when im fortunate enough to be the one encountering it (well.. fortunate in that I can verify it, unfortunate that it results in my death) If you don't like it, np just host your own server.

I've often lost the contents of my tent on a server restart. It seems pretty random whether or not your stuff will be safe.

If someone DC's on me when I'm shooting at them, then proceeds to ghost around behind me, log in and shoot me. I ban them regardless of what Anders says. It's an exploit, I have the power to remedy the situation being the admin. I do so. I only do this if I am actually involved in the incident thus being able to verify it 100%. I wouldn't do it with any other form of circumstantial evidence. Also only if I'm 100% sure who it was. Last night we engaged a group of 3 and one DC'd to avoid death. I wasn't entirely sure who it was (though 90% sure) so noone was actioned on that occasion. I will continue to use this "bandaid" resolution until DayZ sorts it out on their end. If that means being blacklisted then so be it, I wouldn't want to provide a server that tolerated such exploits anyway.

My provider has an auto shut down script if it detects a server locked for more than a few minutes. I'm not sure why this isn't standard if it's such a big no no.

Apart from the whole players hearing your shots thing :P