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This is perfectly logical. What do you think would happen if you'd put a bunch of people with no regard for human life or compassion (since we don't care about other players dying in game in the slightest) on an island with sparse resources and guns. Of course they are going to kill each other. We don't have conscience in the game. We never cared that our "frags" feel bad when we kill them. Nor that we should either. Mentality is not going to change. We will not start caring about what our "frags" feel. If you'd want this to be more realistic (since not everyone in real life is like that) the characters we're playing would need conscience and some consequences for being good or bad. There would also need to be peaceful NPC survivors who live in one place without running around and scavenging (since there would be people like that, but being like that in a video game would get boring fast, so nobody is going to be like that in game). Conclusion: the "shoot on sight" behavior is realistic in a world where nobody has any morals or conscience.

To everyone whinning about the timer and that they would surely die when logging out if they had to go. You are making shit up. Real life is much more important to you than this game and what people do in it? Then why do you care so much about dieing? You make no sense. First you claim that you are not a nerd that plays 24/7 and then go "my items are very important to me, don't make any changes to the game that would make me loose them". Either you care or you don't, can't have both. I've played WoW for years on PvP servers. There was a timer. You could get ambushed any moment. And people just dealt with it. You absolutely have to go? Okay then it's more important than the game. You don't really care about dieing in the game in that situation. You have to go but you can delay it for 30 seconds to hide/finish up? Great you should be safe. And please, it's not like someone's gonna walk up to you at that moment for sure. It's gonna be rare. If you have shitty net. Then what are you doing playing MP? You chose to play multiplayer knowing you have problems with your internet. You are the one that is going to deal with this your problem NOT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE PLAYERBASE. Exploits can't be allowed to exist because there are some people that have problems with internet/power.

Pretty much everything is in the title. Option to play as a regular zed that spawns in a random place. No special powers, no extra health. Just a regular zed. Though as long as the zed speed is still so ridiculous this could be a bit overpowered.

This is not counter strike either. Lets remove the guns then.

To make it realistic players would need feelings, a conscience. We don't have it right now. We don't think that killing other players for no reason is wrong though most of us would think that killing people for no reason is wrong. So to make it realistic you'd need to add something we lack right now. Conscience. However, in real life feelings would be the penalty itself for mindless killing. In a video game you'd need to add some kind of penalty for being "bad". What would that be and somewhat make sense? ALCOHOL AND DRUGS! Make those with bad conscience addicts! They would have one more thing to stack and look for. And they wouldn't find it on non-bandits. So not only that would encourage more bandit on bandit fights but also would make them think if they have enough drugs to calm their nerves before pulling the trigger.

Use your scroll and choose "gear" from the list. This should be in new player forum btw.

I said like 3 times that nobody cares about death of pixels and that it's nothing weird. You must have missed that.

Needs more super fast zombie that's doesn't loose aggro and cannot die that's spawning already aggroed on you somewhere on the map the moment you spawn on the coast.

Voted for best white knight post of the week.

In a world where nobody has a regard for human life or compassion or conscience, yes.

I aint even complaining. I'm just saying why it is how it is and that it's perfectly logical.

Well there are three reasons why you wouldn't kill someone. 1 you need that person to do something' date=' like you said 2 killing him could bring dire consequences (you make noise and attract something/someone or become wanted for doing it) 3 you have a conscience and would feel bad about killing someone for fun or for a can of beans. You don't really need other people for anything at the moment so reason 1 is gone. Nobody cares that another player would feel bad if you kill him so reason 3 is gone. The only valid at the moment would be reason 2, you might attract zeds or get killed by someone else if you give up your position. It's still because you don't feel bad or care. You don't think twice before killing someone. Even if you'd think "what if he's not a bandit?" the answer is still "I don't really care, killing him doesn't hurt me at all"

Well, if duping is going to be removed and this whole clutter is going to decay then I see no problem.

Except there are like 3 ways to dupe items atm from what I've been hearing. Someone can find just 1 and spam it into oblivion.

Same thing is gonna happen with bear traps as to what is happening with barb wire. It will rarely be used to give yourself advantage (making a trap, barricade etc) and most of the time it's just going to be used to be a dick and put it in every building with loot in cherno/electro.

I thought up a system of wounds that I always wanted to see in a survival game. It would have 4 types of wounds. When you get damage you can have a combination of these. 1. A bruise. Wouldn't show an icon or anything. You simply lost some of the health and you're not bleeding. Already in the game. Minor chance for pain. 2. A cut. Slowly loosing blood, needs bandage. Already in the game. But the bleeding would be slower and would stop after a 1000 or 2000. Moderate chance for pain. (however I'd change the indicator of it. kind what broken bone has, just different icon) 3. A gash. Heavy bleeding wound. After applying the regular bandage you are still bleeding but slower. Need a pressure bandage to stop it completely, a new item. Needs painkillers. (Would require new 2 indicators. One for the gash and one for partially dressed) 4. A deep wound. Heavy bleeding but can be stopped with regular bandage. Needs morphine or you will keep passing out at random times. Needs painkillers to stand up. (again new indicator) As you see that would replace crawling with random passing out which I think is a better mechanic because crawling for miles is not much fun (I know someone is going to disagree, but seriously, not many people have fun crawling for 2 hours). And it would still make the morphine a necessity.

Broken legs don't make much sense. I could understand if you would break your legs when you fall down or have a car accident but otherwise it seems out of place.

So I've been playing this for about a week and I've noticed few things and have some ideas. Zeds The aggro is really weird at times. Sometimes you can crouch and move slowly next to a pack of zeds and sometimes you will aggro the entire village while proning. Lets first talk about their sight then hearing. I think visibility through windows should be lowered. I mean, you just can't see someone who's inside a house as well as when he'd be outside yet zeds do, most of the time. There is also this thing about crossing roads. It seems to me like your visibility while crossing the road is multiplied by 15. Now I have no problem with being really visible while crossing a road since there is no cover, but this is insane. You can aggro zeds that are like 100 meters away from you if you run, that's kinda too far. Then there is situation when you are crawling through the street. Your visibility indicator shows 0 or 1 yet you will get spotted from 10 meters at least. Like I said I don't have problem with being spotted while on the road but the indicator is confusing in this situation, it should show 4 bars or something like that. Apart from that I didn't notice too much issues with their sight. Sometimes they can see you through buildings, but it's obviously a bug that's being worked on. The hearing. When you are inside a house, there is no reason why zeds should hear your footsteps (while not running ofc) from outside that good. The walls should dampen the sound heavily. The ability to hear things through walls of zeds reaches superhero level. It's way over the top. I can understand hearing some movement, if someone is running. But if someone is walking/crouching and moving around on the first floor there is no reason why someone who's outside at ground level should hear you. And this brings another topic. Aggro on sound. When a zed hears a footstep it will launch itself and run full speed to the place when he heard it. How does he know? Are there no other sounds? Do other zeds have different footsteps? Again I can understand if someone is running full speed. That's loud and easy to differentiate but crouch walking or running... you can't be that sure, depending on the distance ofc. I think in this case there should be 2 ranges of hearing. The bigger one, where they walk to check out the sound, kinda what they do when you throw a whiskey bottle (curious that they rush fullspeed at a footstep but casually walk to a broken glass sound) and smaller range when there is no mistake of what's making the sound and they just run to the sound. Now those ranges would obviously have to be tested and balanced. But that's what alpha is for. Second thing about hearing and aggro. Zeds should never "lock on" just by sound. Too many times a zed heard me, so I started moving slower and hid behind a corner just to be kicked in the face because the zed knows where I went. But I think it's a bug or something. I've had maybe 2 instances when a zed only went for a sound and didn't follow me. So I'm guessing it's not working as intended atm. And now suggestions about aggro and zeds. Maybe add a sense of smell? Maybe only to those zeds that walk/run crouched? Maybe you'd only leave scent while crawling? That would force you to sometimes stand up in a town. Could be interesting. Combat At the moment there aren't many options when it comes to fighting zeds. Once aggroed you can 1. Fight with a hatchet, but get damaged at almost every encounter and sooner or later bleed out or break legs. Not a very good choice. 2. Shoot and aggro everything within a mile. Prolly gonna die. 3. Leg it far away from the town and then shoot. Bothersome and redundant. 4. Disconnect/alt+f4. Which is by far the best option. Few seconds of loading for making the threat disappear. There is just no comparison. Unacceptable mechanic, I'll get back on that. Right now, apart from the crossbow that's... not really worth it. There is no way of silently taking out zeds without taking damage (at least without some end game gear that I didn't manage to get yet due to pesky snipers up north :) ). This would add to the gameplay, but would have to be limited (hard to find, use) because it would be just too good if you could use it all the time without downsides. What could it be now? Well the crossbow could use a buff. Belts should come in stacks or combine automatically (could be hard to implement, maybe some day). But really. There is no way 8 bolts are going to take up the entire bag. If you have room for 1 bolt you should have room for at least 5. Maybe the crossbow could be secondary weapon? And retrieving bolts man. There is no reason I can't take a bolt out of something because it's under the body. Unless the bolt breaks I should always be able to retrieve it. One way of doing it would be putting a bolt into inventory of the thing that was killed by said bolt. Or giving bolts a bigger dialogbox but that could make it too easy when looking for bolts that missed the target. Maybe there is a way to give it a bigger dialogbox when it hits a player/zed? Another useful thing could be throwing knives. Would have to be hard to use and find. Same deal with retrieving. It would be cool if you could sneak up on a zed and hit it in the head with an axe. Right now they run away and back just before you can reach them. At the moment zeds are faster than the player by what? Half? There is no reason for that. 100% player speed should be absolute maximum. I'd also love to have ability to swing fists. I mean the zeds have no weapons but they are somehow able to damage you. Why can't the player swing his hands or legs? Even if that would make little to no damage, there is no reason why a grown up guy should be defenseless like a baby without a weapon. (inb4 you wouldn't fight against a zombie. If I had a choice? No I wouldn't. But you don't always have a choice between fight or flight. Sometimes you can't run and you have to fight. If that happens I'd rather have a possibility to defend myself, even if it would suck). And how about pushing away/kicking. Long recharge and makes you unable to move for the length of animation but would stop a zed for few seconds. I think that would only add to the gameplay. Disconnecting And now lets talk about the disconnect BS. A popular topic. And for me the timer is the best option. The problem is. People will still alt+f4. The only way to counter it, would be that the character would stay on the server for those 10 seconds. But now you have a problem of storing the data. It would either have to be done by a master server which would store all the characters and their gear and would receive that info from the server, not from the player. But that goes way beyond the boundaries of simple mod. The other way would be storing the data by the server and sending it to the player when he connects next time. Problems would arise if the server would be offline when the player connects next time. Well, lets just say that the really lucky ones would get away with it. It's not that they can choose when the server they played will be offline. But in this case the server on which the player died after alt+f4 would have to check if the player logged on when the server was offline and played some more. We don't want a situation when a player alt+f4s or crashes. Logs in the next day, but the server where he died is offline. The guy plays for a week and then the server where he died comes back again and sends info that the player should die. Again this goes beyond simple mod. But I think this would be easier than master server although not as reliable. And there are some bugs or things that just have to go. When I'm trying to put a gun in my backpack, it shouldn't move the ammo for it with it. (I shouldn't even mention that it eats up guns or ammo when you don't have enough room for both ammo and gun). Same for picking up weapons with ammo. If I'll want to pick up all the mags I'll do it myself. I don't want to first pick up the gun with ammo, throw some important things on the ground automatically, throw away unimportant things manually and pick up the important things again. Don't do things for me game. I can manage. Zombies walking through walls and doors has to go too. I know it's in the game not in the mod but yeah. Dropping things in tight spaces makes those things disappear sometimes. Sometimes you can't check your bag without crouching. Sometimes you stand up after drinking (usually in 3rd person). Sometimes you stand up when crawling onto something or trying to crawl into a building. The frigging barbed wire needs a bigger frigging dialog box. Server hopping gotta be reduced. 1 minute wait before logging back in. Alert players with "someone is close" if someone logs in close to them, rage 300 meters? That would force players to log out outside populated areas. And finally I'd love to have a secondary character. I usually play with a friend but when he's not online I'd want to play with another character. Possible exploiting and using the other char as safehouse, might break the balance. Would need something to prevent that. Now before I get flamed for wanting this to be an easy game, although I doubt those "quality posters" are still reading this. No. I enjoy the difficulty. But it has to come from challenge. Not from inconvenience. You could make a button for inhaling air and one of exhaling air and if you forget to breathe you pass out and break your leg if you were running. That would make the game much harder but it would also make it less fun. Not all difficulty is fun. It's best to have many options and loose because you've chosen poorly and not because you have to compensate for bad mechanic design and lack of choice. Every time you die it should be because you messed up. Not because you had no other choice but even that wasn't good enough. That's why loosing was fun in Dwarf Fortress. Because if you lost it meant that you messed up. There was always a way of going through something. Now I don't know how all those changes would affect the gameplay and difficulty. These are ideas for a game that's in an alpha stage. Those would have to be tested, tweaked and balanced. If they would make the game too easy they would have to changed or even scrapped. But that's exactly what the alpha is for. The game is not in a perfect state at the moment. There is no point white knighting for it. You are not helping the development if you keep insisting that there is nothing wrong and tell everyone who has a suggestion or doesn't like anything to go back to call of duty. The irony is: all those who call other people cod fanboys act exactly like cod fanboys, telling people to ignore bugs and bad features and get better or leave. Don't be like that. Discuss the bugs and undeveloped features, suggest new things. Help the game develop. You are holding it back if you flame everyone who wants changes.

Read patch notes' date=' things you 'report' are already getting fixed. [/quote'] Some of them yeah. And I think it's awesome. I'm actually going to cut a part of op and make another thread.

Where did I complain? What is wrong with you people seriously? I'm enjoying the game and I forgive it for all it's flaws since it's the alpha and it is going to be full of bugs. But at the same time I can speak about them and talk about features that are simply wrong without complaining. I don't mind those things at the moment. But I mentioned them because they should be fixed in future.