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I meant Dean and the team, in a platonic, non-gay sort of way. Just a joke.

If the game had a single player campaign with scripted missions like ARMA2 does, with only limited player slots then yes I think it would be nice to have co-op there. But in a large open, sandbox, mmorpg-lite kind of game then it's probably not a good idea.

I love you.. did I just say I love you out loud? Strange.

I thought it was about the paranoia of being killed too and the levels of trust. I don't agree with the player skins for this reason. Insanity was/is driven by players I think.

What set me off was the learn2melee and QQing and the "you must be doing it wrong" comments. Sorry all. I felt backed into a corner at the end of the first page. If people detect a troll post, they automatically troll the troll.. It's the internet I should have learned that by now. However it wasn't, I was just miserable. There should be no problem with how I play in a game that works the way we'd expect it to. And by that I mean not having any bugs at all, no glitching zombies and melee attacks that work within the range of the actual 3d model and where the crosshair is pointing. Beans for everyone, even people I might have disagreed with. You will see from most of my posts I do not cause problems. Hope we can put the stupidity aside to talk about other things, this is just one topic after all.

Actually I was grumpy about dying and it was just after work so I probably could have worded it better, but then I also felt like ranting in the first post too and that would have set an even lower standard. I did what I had to. Oh yeah sorry to everyone about "Beowulf" style epic on page 2. Maybe wait and see what others have to say too before shooting the messenger? I learned something too.

Yes but what about the people that were not successful? It's not like I'm delusional? Some of them are just posting now. The initial impression I got from those, as you say, successful was that I was wrong because they say so and end of discussion. The thread had barely started. I put one fact but it's obviously irrelevant; infection killed me the last 3 times I've tried to play recently, not hunger, not players and it killed me 2 of those times trying to 'save' myself with melee. Even if it is only in my experience, it still sucks. It sucks for other people as well it seems which makes this whole 3 page crap slinging kind of pointless too don't you think? The resistance is only to general flaming. Passion does not have to mean vitriol and if the community is so passionate why is not supportive? If people just say 'No' at people without even waiting for what others say then I think that is very rude. I hope I didn't mean people were condescending for suggesting improving my skills, I meant that they were condescending for telling me it's my fault. Now we know it's not just my fault, it makes their insults more apparent. Yes I forgot you too and everyone else who at least made a suggestion or comment that was constructive. Viccos post was deadpan and quite poetic. Beans were given out to everyone I think. Cheers

Actually I've heard Dean Hall state numerous times it was about the emergent gameplay driven by players, the paranoia etc. Early interviews mostly. All of the people who say "it's just you" have no idea how I play, how far I am standing away and what I am aiming at and has had no proof of what I am doing at all. This is an assertion, something I have been accused of doing. Kind of hypocritical? Since the first page I have been trying to defend myself against this kind of foolishness. How do people know? They don't and they're just being rude. They assume that my post is a troll post automatically get into protective mode and then Oh no I love melee! this man is a monster! The internet would not exist without blunt opinions that other people hate. Yin-Yang You could have just read the questions and answered, there was no capitals or ranting in the OP. If you think that there is no discussion in 3 questions, you obviously just skipped over them to argue with me about the delivery of my message and not its content I think you'll find the community is up its own ass, read above. It's not that I don't mind different beliefs, is that everyone is ignorant of any facts Can you smell the hypocrisy? It's a total wind up. Melee weapons are useful in being silent I get that, but death is not useful, nor preferable. You say that I would apply that logic to everything and make even the most realistic things absurd. The pursuit of more realism in a flawed, virtual emulation is already absurd in itself. You will never get a perfect simulation of something you never experienced. Why not make it entertaining instead? To everyone else, Fluxley and Pbremmus, Vicco thanks yes I will be adapting and still playing and hoping I don't die pretty quickly. Hehehe, yeah right. If the Z's actually work. ( I saw some sitting around drinking tea. I think they were having a break ) Did anyone actually mention the drop rate of antibiotics from various spawns?

This is similar to what I have said though, in that I don't feel like exploiting some broken stuff to get around some other broken stuff. The zombies should be moving at full speed inside buildings, it was always the intention. Besides, I wasn't doing it wrong before the high chance of infection was introduced now it is high risk if you want to survive. Running away is a far better idea. I'm tired of this fighting now anyway, people keep saying the same thing and I've always stated that the broken things should be worked on before any new ideas go in. Perhaps that is why the mod will always stay an alpha and not a fully realised and complete mod.

Dude if you aren't going to add anything constructive, just ignore me and move on..I would say that to everyone who doesn't like how I talk. I didn't attack you and there is an ignore option for a reason. I am brutal, to the point and while I may be wrong I am happy to be corrected as long as the right attitude is displayed. If people want to teach me that is fine, I can learn and adapt. I don't like put downs and wind-ups. Just talk. People have suggested using buildings to slow down zombies and aiming in a slightly different place, higher or lower and get them from 5ft away. That is all fine, but is exploiting already dodgy mechanics. When the zombies don't glitch and act like real zombies, then maybe my way of attacking with my reticule over the target and in range of my weapons actual 3d model will be all I need.

You are correct, the OP was direct and to the point. You didn't say it had to be in the first post. You just said I made assertions. Actually it was 2 opinions and 3 questions. If I write large initial posts, people just TLDR it. So I'm stuck with writing small amounts until people ask for further explanations or basically attack me, which I don't like since I just wanted a chat. My first question was "Why do we still have melee in a game that now punishes it?" It was a general community question. In Post #4 I added "Since the rate of infection is so high, melee is pointless" this is my opinion only. In #9 I added to the discussion again, "..If all I am doing is running away, why did I pick up a machete (?) .. Why not take melee weapons out and let us run away until we get a gun.(?)" So you see my logical ideas came about in extended replies and not the OP. I wanted to talk about these things influencing each other, not fight. I didn't intend it that way. Really I don't mind if people say I am wrong or my idea doesn't make sense. What I loathe is people either calling me stupid/noob whatever and trying to make me feel that is my fault, that I somehow put something in the mod I enjoyed, just to piss me off? I didn't put the thing into the mod. Instead of player vs player social interaction, we have.. survive against zombies.. And it was never survive against zombies, it was always do your own thing and the zombies are kind of there. The drama and entertainment came from the players.

Which would those be? I made several well calculated premises, in logical and rational manner and a conclusion. This is an argument. I think you'll find the real reason is because the internet somehow magically grants permission for everyone to automatically be rude, patronising and offensive and get away with it because they don't have to look anyone in the eye. That would work, but I had to cheat by server hopping since the hospital I went to in Berezino was totally looted. Since I play solo I was essentially dead, my health bar was empty and my screen full grey. I ate all my food to get there and it still didn't matter, that included about 7 cans and 4 cooked meat. But if you say I should have played with someone else, then that is the mod punishing me for a particular play style. Which is not what Mr Hall even wanted. As I believe he wanted emergent gameplay that was defined by the players themselves with no fixed classes or game styles. Again using a bug to try and fight it is not really the idea, the zombies were/are supposed to be full speed inside buildings. That tactic would not work when they finally become the menace in buildings they were intended to be. I know what the range is anyway, approximately, as I've been using for every version since versions earlier than 1.7*

No it might not have a direct link, but I am also put off negatively by various changes. Since it is what the OP is talking about in first paragraph then I think it applies. If you are in range of being attacked, then you are either going to fire point blank which gets you killed or use melee which also gets you killed. It is the changes that are killing pvp, according to the OP. I agree on this point and want to also discuss why? What Changes? Most of the replies were insults from people who didn't actually wan't to answer my questions. I think I understand why so many people are just disappearing.

I'm sorry for my outburst, but it is very infuriating when you post some opinions along with three questions to try and get a discussion and the community proceeds to berate you for it. It's very negative. Thanks to chris529 for nailing it on the head. Yes it is risky, when I originally wanted to take the risk I knew I could take that hit of 2000 blood, because I had 10000 left. Even getting hit 4 or 5 times I could still survive. Getting hit now is an extremely risky prospect.

Cheers for the decent reply. I'm not sure if you get it though, getting infected does have correlation because if I don't want to get infected then I don't want to use melee. I pretty much have to wait for a gun.. so why not take melee weapons out and replace the spawns with extra guns? Why did I waste time picking it up, saying "oh cool a machete lets try it out" and then testing it and getting killed? This is basically what I have been trying to say. Melee =Keeps you alive. Infection = Kills you. Melee == Kills you