@Scerun I understand the fear element of not knowing if they're going to shoot you is slightly diluted if there would be bandits vs survivors, where you pick a path at the start of a new spawn. (like gender) However, there's nothing stopping me rolling in there as a survivor, and leading a small group of happy bean munching survivors to a well placed bandit ambush my friends have set up Then, killing myself and looting all that goodness. You still have to be careful about who you trust, it would just bring the community somewhat closer together, not remove that shoot or be shot mentality. Since, hey, you can work with the other survivors, or ignore them, knowing full well that he cannot shoot you in the back. "Teams/bandit skins/self-destruct-pc-after-pking/blahblah are arbitary stamps and labels nullifying an otherwise extremely interesting and fun (read: FUN) part of the game." - I'm not quite sure i'm reading this correctly, do you like Bandit skins and the fact that people kill and then log off before the horde of zombies come eat them? @Bad_Mojo The timer thing rocket tried to implement was buggy, for sure, but it's not what i'm suggesting. He tried to implement a timer which kept your character in the persistant map when the plug was pulled. I'm talking about putting in an incap timer when you choose to log off. 5 seconds was far too small a number aswell, as i mentioned above, running in to loot a building through the middle of town has become VERY popular, zombies take atleast 5 seconds to navigate the front door, making the previous timer thing null and void ;). As to the murderers would not wear a set uniform thing, i concur. This is a very valid point, but as mentioned above there's nothing stopping the wolves in sheep's clothing, if you know what i mean. It helps encourage teamwork, but it doesnt build trust. You have to do that yourself. a further point to the OP, when you choose the survivor / bandit at character spawn, you received their clothing, again I read the posts and see the concerns. I do feel it would actually improve communication rather than hinder it personally. You are a part of a collective, whether you want to go with the herd, or your own way. At least you know you have potential allies. Where as right now, as Scerun pointed out the only mentality seems to be shoot or be shot. Unless you both have no ammo in a lee enfield you just found, then it's an awkward friendship, until you find ammo.