NoobieCarebear

No' date=' it doesn't. It assumes (correctly) that 3rd person is intended to be easy mode in Arma2. Then it asserts that many of us players would like to play against characters that have been built EXCLUSIVELY in Hardmode like our own. Think it through, man. There are plenty of occasions where an easy mode player may join an expert server instead of their home server (ie. time of day, player count, server availability, etc.) No it's just you who WANTS this, don't include us in this and NO we will also talk about what we DON'T WANT not just what you want which is all servers being forced into 1st person only servers. Gee's whom ever started this thread, just get over yourself someone got the drop on you, they were better than you, they didn't cheat and use some exploit, they were just better than you, stop being such a sore loser and just don't play on 3PS servers.

You are missing the point, in a multiplayer environment an exploitable mechanic that is easily controlled is exactly that, tactical shooter or not. The argument for third person is utterly retarded, and I have recruited and trained countless individuals who, after adamantly defending the point of third person for a while, have now been converted and will never look back. - We will all just have to take you on your word for this - I also find your post a little confusing. I think you are using the phrase 'tactical shooter' a little liberally, or perhaps lifting it from a genre in a way that wasn't intended by it's creators. By tactical shooter, they mean realistic shooter that is based on tactics and teamplay, as opposed to rambo tactics. The BIS usage of the term in no way implies 3rd person as it does to the genre you are referring to. Besides, as far as genre goes, it is a tactical military simulator, not a 'tactical shooter', which implies something far more basic, like hidden & dangerous. 3rd person is available because 'everything' is available in this game. Doesn't mean it was intended to be used in the way we are talking about in PvP. This is an important point, and it is almost exclusively non arma players that fail to understand this. With this series, you simply cannot apply the same standards and terms in ways of thinking as one might with other games that involve firearm combat. Just because it is possible to create a man covered with bunny rabbits in arma, doesn't make it 'part of the game'. Yes I have done that, attachTo is a fun command. I do not play on 3rd person servers either, unless of course a buddy is already on one. I am used to realism 'milsimming' on 'expert' mode, and the other things are a big distraction. With regards to your 'bottom line' - it was never important for OFP, ArmA, or Arma 2 - anyone who ever took these games seriously played in first person exclusively. The rest is excuses to make up for lack of skill. A skilled pilot needs no third person, nor does a good infantryman, the arguments are often expansive and interesting, but all bullshit at the end of the day. For this reason, units like mine attract a great many active and former military, and units that use things like 3rd person and crosshair attract a lot of loud mouthed kids, with no respect for anyone, who care more about saluting fake officers and being called sir, than actually demonstrating tactical skill, leadership in a highly testing virtual environment whilst communicating with multiple sources, and other genuine skills that transfer into the online virtual environment. - again we will all just have to take your word for this. - There is a reason the military trains with VBS, because it truly develops important tactical skills, again - tactical here refers to real tactics, not a shooter genre that uses third person. Playing with third person is the easy option, and there is no other argument for using it, the rest is elaborately phrased hot air. - WoW arrogance and ego much!?! - Why would I argue my case? Well if this is to become a persistent and stable mmorpg as a beta/final, then certain standards must be established early on for inter-server fairness. See previous posts for details on this concept I guess. I'm done for today. Really an mmorpg that's what you think this mod will become, please just go back to Darkfall, your argument was done last night.

Arrogance much?

Haha, i'm glad you see it as clearly as I do. This 'programmer' guy is ridiculous. Lol that's funny, shows me the only part of my post you read was my name and you expect me to go back and read all your other posts, I did I read them last nite when they were in the general discussion forum posted by Direwind and got closed off by a mod who told you lot to go and play on a FPS server. http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=22728 As for this tainted gear bull, the only players who are doing this, if this is a real problem at all, are players who are coming from FPS servers to 3PS servers and then going back, how about you FPS players deal with your own corrupt players on your server and leave our 3PS servers alone, since we don't have that problem. "shakes violently and slaps, then breaks down into tears over the level of intelligence of these people* Jesus Christ, this is basic stuff people!" Again funny that's how we feel about you lot and your arguments.

The solution is still simple, if you want the other player/s to not have this exploit that you claim exists, DON'T PLAY ON A 3PS SERVERS stick to only FPS servers, it's as simple as that.

This whole exploit thing is crap and unfounded, I play 3ps all the time and if I want to see around a corner I have to move into a position that lets me see around that corner, if I'm on a roof and I want to see over the edge I have to look over that edge and expose my head and shoulders just like I would if I was in Fps mode. Why because the camera sit behind me slightly back about a metre/1 yard appropriately, and where my head looks that is where the camera looks, it does not swing on a pivot and show the side of my face or even the front it always shows the back of the head, the same Fov as a fps player only diff in fps there is no 3d model of my avatar. So to those who play fps view and feel that 3ps view players have an advantage over you, it's because they do, you have not learnt to use the video options properly and set up your Fov up, your also not using the numbered view keys on the number pad properly, yes the ones that are next to the dreaded number pad enter key which makes you go into 3ps mode or not. So please stop making mountains out of mole hills in a vain atempt to make it look like you have a point to argue. For all those wanna’be hardcore elitist you should check out this suggestion thread; http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=19910

Ok this is for the best of the hardest hard-core players, picture it, Spawning in; You start on a beach in the pitchest of blackest of night, while totally naked without anything, no back pack, no weapons, no water, no food, no bandages nothing, your legs are broken you are at half health and half frozen to death and there are 40 zombies surrounding you, oh yes and it’s raining. The loot; Inland you will only find, (if you escape the zombies surrounding you to begin with) for the entire map; 1x can of food 1x can of soda 1x hunting knife 1x pack of matches 1x hatchet/axe 1x bandage* 1x heat pack* 1x box of painkillers* 1x morphine syringe* 1x blood pack* These are randomly scattered around the map in buildings and just around the map in any random location, there will are no other clothes, back packs or weapons to be found. The Zombies; Can only be killed via head damage, are super-duper tough, upon spotting you they can teleport right next to you in a blink of an eye, they can phase through walls, there arms have double reach, they can hear you from over 50 klms away and they have x-ray vision. The Buildings; Any time you even think about approaching a building of any kind, a mass amount of zombies 100 to 200 will spawn around it and in it. The aim of the game; Kill all zombies and players you find, retrieve all the items, before they are used by players and of course as always ..kill Hitler,(sorry) I mean ..Survive. *(not that you will need them, because you’re so elite hard-core, only pussies use them)