sevtron

This is probably one of the best posts I've ever seen on the Dayz forums. And the point is absolutely worth repeating; a great reason to buy it is to support Dayz via supporting BIS, and the Arma community that Dayz is a part of. If you get past the inherent clunkiness of Arma2 and start checking out some of the other things it has to offer, you might be even more excited.

I really don't understand the way people like Aaron think in these discussions. How, in a rational mind, can what I've recently suggested, or have ever suggested be considered restricting anything? He can only deflect the real questions with jabs of pointing out you've made a typo, or other such trivialities. The simplest answer is that they just want to be exclusivity desiring, high-tower-peering motherfuckers, and they want to prevent Dayz from becoming a commercial or worse - casual, success, because that would require the game moving -maybe, potentially, theoretically- into a less PVP-oriented final product. They would much rather Dayz phase down to a small-scale playerbase of hardcore PVP purists with no future. I really want to be wrong in that assessment, but every time I log into the forums I am overwhelmed with the most vitriolic rancor directed towards anybody, anybody who dissents with PVP-centric tendancies, and it reinforces the assessment.

Looks like the thread is still truckin' along, filled with words forming opinions of different varieties, dudebro.

Sarcasm might not get through to you, so I'll go another route. Do you understand the fault in this retort, when I subsequently followed the TL;DR with several statements refuting your generalist position of "Everyone is out to get me and PVPers!" (To which, you never did show me where I ever said I wanted PVP removed from the game, or punished/penalized in any way, thus discrediting your entire counter-arguement) Yup, I assume it was un-stickied during the maintenance/transition, through oversight or with the intention of it being a standard thread again (and not because the moderators/Dev team desire to squash discussion on the discussion forum, as Aaron would desire)

I actually had a similar idea earlier in the evening. I'd suggest a few refinements (of which I have no idea whether or not they're capable within the confines of Arma2's engine, but, just suggestions): Upon creation of a new character (every respawn) you have to choose between male/female, and then are required to choose between PVP or COOP setting, which would do the following; your character would be set invisible to the opposite choice, as well as create a new variable of friendly fire (if that's possible), which would make the opposite choices invulnerable to each other (to prevent exploitive/hacking griefer behavior between the two sides). This would be a good balance between the styles of gameplay, I believe. It's clear to some of us that a compromise must be made, and if dedicated coop servers are out of the question, this is the only thing I can think of. It would do several things to prevent unfair gameplay for one crowd or the other by way of a) All players would inhabit the same server, so the same loot would be available or otherwise unavailable due to other players habits or proximity, :cool: PVP/COOP would be tied directly to your character's life or death, which would prevent players from gearing up and then switching to PVP mode. Since that's a concern of some people. c) Players who desire that thrill of knowing they might run into hostiles, and enjoy being on their toes, can still be PVP toggled. So they lose nothing of their gameplay experience. PVP players will still have a vast array of opponents to face, while COOP oriented players will retain the unique playstyles that Dayz provides, to which they so much enjoy. To me, this seems like an everybody wins scenario, but I'm pretty sure Aaron will find a way to tell us we're removing his gameplay, followed by nihilistic swooping in with some 'roid rage message about peasants and people crying on his crusade. So cheers.

If it goes away, it goes away. Keep on your anti-listening to other opinions crusade, you tool.

Yeah, point out there are typos, and skip the entire point of the message. You win! Again, read what I've said with a little comprehension/critical thinking skills. I do not think PVP is going to be removed or gimped. (Nor have I ever advocated any action to revoke any PVP rights) and I do think side chat is less harmful than it's portrayed,. I want to see things added which encourage more cooperative play rather than enduce more PVP play. Were there any typos in this one, champ? PS - Found one! Induce, not enduce!

Lol, because the capability to enjoy two different styles of FPS means my input isn't legitimate. I'm appreciative of your argumentative nature because, yes, as Septus says, I'm arguing just to argue. And you're returning each with more ammunition for me to enjoy myself. Where have I mentioned desiring to gimp PVP? Show me one quote I have ever made that has said 'I want PVP to be removed or a system of artifical punishment put in place'? Show me that statement I made. You're pretty quick with the insults, yourself. I've seen you do the exact same thing you railed me about previously (entering a thread to just make some half-assed insult). Hypocrisy is awesome when it's fueled by venomous bullshit, isn't it? And as for Septus: I don't make sense to you because I desire a polite discussion filled with compromise or at least agree-to-disagree statements. You, on the other hand, want to win and rub it in the internet noses of all the people who don't have the same argument as you. Also, I thought we went over this before? Stats without context are meaningless. Stats be damned because stats can be skewed to any viewpoint, when there isn't a foundational understanding of those statistics. But whatever floats your boat, my friend. I'm just here for the enjoyment of having the moral high ground, isn't that right, Aaron? PS - Here's a link, so I can prove to you I'm not lazy! http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/27160-the-yogcast-video-sure-did-ruin-the-community/page__st__40 Whoa there, did you just post an inflamatory comment mid-thread without a point, further unnecessarily cluttering the forums with the kind of bullshitery you despise? Isn't that why I'm bad?

Tl;dr, you're still a douche. I'll deconstruct a few of your fallacies here though; A) The LGBT thread where I told people not to insult each other? I'm pretty sure I only made mention that a clearly religiously-based counter-troll came into it, and I thought maybe he was going to take it too far. My bad. B) I've been generally pretty reactionary in my dickishness. C) You're the one who wants to close the thread because you don't want to hear it anymore. D) Reading comprehension fail. Show me all those times people said they want PVP removed entirely, and I'll show you somebody who probably knows that is entirely unlikely. That's what I said, wasn't it? That they don't really expect it to be removed? E) You're still a douche.

If it can figure out how to stop players from passing and shooting through walls' date=' I'm pretty sure it can handle the same logic for other in game entities. [/quote'] Players are supposed to be able to shoot through walls. What the wall is made of and the calibre of the bullet determines if the bullet will pass through. You can shoot through metal pipes and bricks with some guns, just as in real life. I'm sorry. I didn't realize this was Call of Duty. What point are you trying to make here? Call of Duty is much more realistic than most shooters in the area of penetration (it has it at all vs not having it at all, even if it's terribly inaccurately modeled) I apologize ahead of time that this is pretty off topic, but I figured nobody really says what I'm sure lots of people are actually feeling... What exactly IS IT with the Call of Duty bashing? Honestly, Rocket himself even said it, Call of Duty was/is a great game. Just because you guys want to be elitist dicks and use it as an insult/mockery, doesn't actually make it so. Has anyone here even actually played any of the recent Call of Duty games? Modern Warfare 3 is extraordinarily fun a game. It's also extremely arcadey and not intended to be a representation of real, factual life. The mission where you're a combat diver planting explosives on a submerged submarine to force it to surface? That is some fucking Grade A awesome cinematic gameplay. It's also entirely illogical a scenario if you consider it. But isn't a zombie apocalypse also? They aren't even the same genre of FPS as Arma2. The comparisons don't even work, lol. It's like comparing DayZ and Portal, because they both have "guns". Tl;dr, CoD and Arma2 have about as much in common as Nascar and golf. Stop parroting a dumb insult. At least be creative dicks.

Why, exactly, do you care so much that this discussion be closed? Here's a novel idea... Go read another section of the forums. Let people who want to discuss amongst themselves whatever topics are important to them. I'm comfortable speaking for everyone in this thread that not a single person posting in this thread, in its entirety, expects that PVP is going to be removed. Most would probably even agree that a handicapping or otherwise system of punishment for PVP will never be implemented. The discussion more or less switches from "Let's bitch about how much we hate PVP" (which is fine. Bitching and moaning can be theraputic.) to "Let's try to come up with some sort of system that reduces PVP by way of introducing other valuable gameplay options." (which is cool, because a nugget of a good idea can stem from anywhere) to defense from dicks like yourself who only want to argue for the sake of being that awesomesauce internet tough guy. (which isn't all that cool, because it doesn't accomplish anything) If you don't want to read this shit and see how many carebears enjoy Dayz enough to want to come here and speak with other likeminded people, go read something else. Desiring this thread to close simply because it holds an opinion that you disagree with is beyond ridiculous. Good job.

dafuq? Let me translate for you. A+B=C but C can't be A+B because there isn't an option for B to be an A if it identifies more with the curvature of A rather than B. But some people disagree with waffles.

You know, the ponies and spiderman shit were pretty lolz inducing, but I think we should actually nip in the bud that obvious religious counter-troller gets a little out of control. I can see that getting cringe-worthy in a hurry.

Troll attempt or not, I'm just mildly glad that we got something a little more original than another one of those "hay, I'm going to parrot some line about carebears/kiddies so I look hardcore on the internets!" threads. So cheers to you, Xapped, you glorious bastard, you!

Easy with who you're calling a moron here, considering your post is nothing but a bunch of preconceptions. This is about how meta-gaming should not be required in a game, and no, unfortunately for you I am not one of those players. I have hardly died at all during my time with DayZ (fewer than most I would imagine)as I always make sure I am safe before I act, and I avoid other players like the plague, unless I just happen to bump into one, which is when I try to communicate while making sure they don't have a clear shot at me. Well said.

Your example of my being lazy is more of an example, I think, of me not wanting to have to jump through hoops off-line for something that doesn't even necessarily do what I would like it to do. Direct text? With the range of like 20 meters? You're talking about a solution that is simply an extension of the problem I'm trying to address. This is like, only the second time I've even jumped into a conversation at all, and the previous (the side chat discussion) was entirely me trying to tell people there are optional ways to handle this without disenfranchising any core group of players. Shame on me. As for the links... I -know- the stupid shit people are saying. What exactly is your intention with throwing in my face more examples (that, shame on me again, I didn't really want to dig around to re-post) that only further fuel my point of view that things here are far, far too divisive than they need to be. Here we go: If you don't want stupid shit to be flowing on the forums, stop biting. Stop taking the bait, stop feeding into the poor suggestions by making responses trying to call them out or egg them on? (PS - I use the term 'you' loosely. Not necessarily you in particular. I don't know your thread hopping habits.)That's the only reason shitty things keep popping back up. People want to invest themselves in flame wars. People want to troll the forums here the same way they troll forums everywhere else. Don't buy into it and it'll eventually dissipate. But where's the fun in that? You wouldn't be able to continue rattling your sabre.

You make yourself look bad by spouting random bullshit that makes no sense on closer inspection. Yea no shit a stupid idea would be stupid whether it comes from a bandit or a survivor -- but right now the stupid ideas are coming from survivors. Lol' date=' I make myself look bad by stating that bandits make dumb ideas too, but don't want to go through the effort of looking for a few to post here? I'm pretty sure everybody here has seen something stupid by a bandit, just as they have by a survivor. Trying to paint the survivors as the idiots, and the bandits as the true heirs of the mod, is going to make you look stupid, too. The people who read the forums here and there are going to probably have come across some off-hand dumb suggestion or comment, too. They're not going to see me not be interested in hunting down specifics and say to themselves, "Yeah, fucking survivors can't back themselves up." The stupid ideas are coming from everybody, man. If you can't see that. If you just want to assume survivors suck and be the end of it, that's great. Good on you. That all said; I think there are proper places for suggestions and proper places for discussions. This is not the Suggestion section of the forum. This is a thread on the forums entitled "The one and only anti-PVP/No Bandits/COD Kiddies Thread". Do you think you're going to find the ultimate, greatest suggestion here? Or do you think you're going to find bored guys and gals kicking a can around, maybe having some good and bad ideas to spitball, all while remaining chalk full of sarcasm? Do you see how that works? PS -- It's really hard to take anybody seriously on here about "I'm not trying to stifle debate!", when it all comes back down to comments like "That's why they're not welcome here." and "Compromise is bullshit", lol. [hr'] What makes you think I haven't been here longer than a week? Who is making assumptions now? :) And again, it isn't so much as refusing to back up to my argument (bandits say dumb things needs to be defended?), as much as it is not being interested to piecemeal together a few random statements from random threads in which somebody offers up a dumb banditry suggestion. Go do your own homework. Or open your eyes. When was I lazy in the side-chat discussion, btw? :) When you stated you were in fact too lazy to join a voice chat server. Your registered date shows you've been here a week, that's what. And before you use the age-old "I just read a lot before I actually posted", we've heard that before too. If you have been here as long as we have, you'd be sick of the bullshit too. Could you please show me the quote where I said I was simply too lazy? Or, are you just trying to do a little character assassination and call me names? Or, I could show you my quote from the very first post in that thread where I say: "Also, people have to keep in mind that some players actually prefer text communication to voice. Sure, voice is easier for handling some aspects, but some of us A) don't have microphones, or B) just aren't really that into voice communication in video games. " Am I lazy, or do I not have a microphone/not really into voice chat with random people in video games? Also; good touch with the "you've only been registered a week, but before you say you lurked the forums, I already know you're lying" comment. Is that what it has come down to? Guy says something you don't agree with, so you call him lazy and say he's a forum newbie? Good job, champ, you win the internet. PS - Yes, I've been around on these forums from about early-mid April when one of my friends suggested I get Dayz, since I already own Arma2 and expansions. And I am getting tired of the people on the forums. People like you who only want to hear things that you agree with and think everybody else can shut themselves up.

You make yourself look bad by spouting random bullshit that makes no sense on closer inspection. Yea no shit a stupid idea would be stupid whether it comes from a bandit or a survivor -- but right now the stupid ideas are coming from survivors. Lol' date=' I make myself look bad by stating that bandits make dumb ideas too, but don't want to go through the effort of looking for a few to post here? I'm pretty sure everybody here has seen something stupid by a bandit, just as they have by a survivor. Trying to paint the survivors as the idiots, and the bandits as the true heirs of the mod, is going to make you look stupid, too. The people who read the forums here and there are going to probably have come across some off-hand dumb suggestion or comment, too. They're not going to see me not be interested in hunting down specifics and say to themselves, "Yeah, fucking survivors can't back themselves up." The stupid ideas are coming from everybody, man. If you can't see that. If you just want to assume survivors suck and be the end of it, that's great. Good on you. That all said; I think there are proper places for suggestions and proper places for discussions. This is not the Suggestion section of the forum. This is a thread on the forums entitled "The one and only anti-PVP/No Bandits/COD Kiddies Thread". Do you think you're going to find the ultimate, greatest suggestion here? Or do you think you're going to find bored guys and gals kicking a can around, maybe having some good and bad ideas to spitball, all while remaining chalk full of sarcasm? Do you see how that works? PS -- It's really hard to take anybody seriously on here about "I'm not trying to stifle debate!", when it all comes back down to comments like "That's why they're not welcome here." and "Compromise is bullshit", lol. [hr'] What makes you think I haven't been here longer than a week? Who is making assumptions now? :) And again, it isn't so much as refusing to back up to my argument (bandits say dumb things needs to be defended?), as much as it is not being interested to piecemeal together a few random statements from random threads in which somebody offers up a dumb banditry suggestion. Go do your own homework. Or open your eyes. When was I lazy in the side-chat discussion, btw? :)

Have I mentioned being angry at snipers? Have I mentioned being angry at random strangers that shoot me? Have I mentioned being angry about well organized bandits? (Well, I've spoken my two cents about how I think it's not necessarily the proper course of action, but I don't think I'm particularly angry with them. Like you said, Rocket himself is fine with meta-gaming VOIP-style.) I never said I was judge of anything. I simply stated my beliefs, my personal thoughts, that using out-of-game utilities in order to get an in-game benefit is, to ME, kind of contrary to the point of the game. I'm not saying they're hacking or should be illegal. I'm just saying that's not how I play. I'm voicing my opinions over the current state and status of Dayz. You, however, are trying to force everyone who has a differing opinion to adopt yours or be run out of town as a leper. And btw -- I'm not actually looking for any dumb bandit ideas. So you can probably stop trying to slip that in there to make me look bad.

So compromise is bullshit, I have to play the game the way you tell me or I'm wrong, and if I don't actively search for friendlies that makes my entire point moot? Also, what "agenda" am I pushing here? Where have I once mentioned anything in regards to penalizing banditry, or anything, to be clear. When have I mentioned anything about penalizing one play style to support a different play style? My agenda is trying to filter through all sides of the discussion. Unfortunately, your agenda seems to be in making your viewpoint the only accepted viewpoint.

I don't think they really hurt my argument. The numbers can add up to whatever we want them to mean. Giving me random numbers of survivors vs bandits, but absolutely no context for those numbers, really doesn't help any side. I tend to play either solo, or when within a group it tends to a smaller group, 2-3 players not including myself, whom are all friends of mine via real life. I don't utilize the forums to find friendlies/etc, because that's not really how I play the game. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And again, there is nothing wrong with voice chat, or side-chat text, however -- and this is a big however, I do have a problem with it when it's used as an alternative to in-game options, and used to circumvent established in-game communications limitations. Maybe when radios are added in or whatever, things will change. But.. I really don't see the point of having in-game radios with ranges, etc, when it is the accepted norm to just hop on Teamspeak, or Vent. Why care about finding a radio if you're already in constant communication with everyone in the server? And more to the point... What does that mean for players who do not utilize TS, etc? It puts them at a absolute disadvantage, in game, don't you think?