Me1andMe2

300+ words. Completely offtopic and no substance besides "this is more than a (typical) PvP games" (see 7 words same message). No idea why you even brought it up (because i said its bad in pvp? the scenario that YOU mentioned?). It seems like you just pick some keywords(scenario, pvp), completely ignore any context, and write what currently runs through your mind. No matter if this even fits in the current discussion in anyway. I am sorry if I am begin rude but you keep repeating it over and over again. You keep ignoring points that have been brought up bring up no counter points but tell stories that span multiple sentences just to get across a point that could have been depicted with a few words and still is no real counter argument. Finally I will leave you an examination of our previous comments so that you understand what I expect of a discussion so that we can have better discussions in the future. Since you brought up a completely different scenario than I aimed at I wanted to set it straight and make the scenario I was talking about clear Here I show my answer to your question (Sporter) Here I show why I think that your answer of your question doesn’t make sense. Argument(only pull trigger once) and Counterargument(1 body shot is meaningless) Here I give my argument that the 22 is better, some backup. So instead of just opinions I present facts (more shots, quick fire rate, shorter time to kill) Here I show that there can be reasons for the weapon but they are not related to the mechanics of game but to your taste. Nothing wrong with that but not a strong argument imo. Here I want to make it clear that no matter the scenario you will not give this weapon value in pvp (as shown 22 won). I called it weird because your scenario implies getting a sawed of weapon + ammo and a 22 rile + mag and nothing else (weapon wise) which is unlikely and will not happen often (not impossible but still unlikely since other better weapon are easier to get and more common). Now to your last comment 1) Never claimed that it is or is not about weird scenarios 2) Only your opinion. So don't present it like a fact even though I agree 3) No idea what the headshot part is about. Is it another weird scenario? Is it about the cruelty of dayz? What is it aimed at? I have no idea Never made a claim like this. Just because I made a comment about the pvp or think it is important im suddenly 100% pvp. Also a quick passive aggressive “Hey do you know there is COD” before there is the pseudo friendly “but its fine” part. Overall no reason for this paragraph no real arguments were made no counterpoints presented. Completely different discussion with information that everybody knows. Is it a normal pvp? What is normal? What has this question to do with the current discussion? Utterly different discussion that is not needed. Comparisons of weapons tools, and clothing out of the blue. Explaining things that nobody asked for (we all know that an ak without ammo is not as good as an axe, thanks) and that makes no sense (weapons and tools have their own slot so why did you bring it up again?) Then you moved to clothes (I see backpack as clothes) in the last sentence which are a whole discussion in their own rights. I didn’t mention any of this. I didn’t say any of this is false or true. Why bring it up? Just to get to the point that you can take “inferior” items( the small backpack) because you want? Despite the point that clothes have vastly different criteria than weapons? Still keeping with the Dayz can be played how you want part. Still wondering how this has anything to do with the IZH. You can still do it with the IZH removed. You can still do it with the IZH replaced. How a “style” of play is reliant on this weapon I don’t know. I have already said if you want it for rp or flair fine. But there is no reason to repeat the same thing over and over again. Its your opinion and that’s fine but as said before keep it at that and don’t try to say it has any other value by saying it is good when used this or that way as you have tried in your previous comment

I was talking about a fighting situation where you had a loaded mosin and a sawn of as backup. maybe that wasnt clear enough sry 2nd your scenario has an actual right answer, the Sporter (only 22 rifle with a mag). The IZH doesn’t kill with a single shot (except to the head but so does the 22(worst case he’s unconscious)) so saying you prefer it because you doesn’t like to "pull the trigger more than once" is nonsensical. The 22 on the other hand can kill before you have reloaded the IZH. The 22 does more dps and has a shorter "time to kill" so it’s objectively better for close quarter combat no opinions needed here - thats math. If you wanna keep the gun for flair/rp, fine - that’s your opinion. If you are in love with its iron sight, fine - your thing But Don’t try to argue that that weapon has any value in pvp by putting it in some weird scenarios.

Barrels with holes vs normal fireplace. Natural Leather Jacket vs any other 4 slot Time spent vs gain is not in your favor here. I know that barrels are valuable for storing things but what is not worth for is fire and tanning which is why I suggest barrels that are made for these purposes while requiring little work for the devs to put into. Thanks i know how persistence works I just said cities to give a better understanding of the distance I traveled and because I found it in a city.

Dunno man took me more than 5 hours and countless cities to find just one barrel (private server) Also okay you got me I meant to say static interactable(putting stuff inside) barrels No risk no fun right?

Would love to do some leather tanning or see some burning barrels but currently barrels are too valuable for stashing things. Barrels are therefore super rare and if you find one you will probably take it with you to make a stash. I therefore suggest that some barrels should be placed into towns with the following rules: The barrels should not be moveable besides if you make holes into themThe barrels will respawn indefinitely if removedThe respawn time should not be longer than 1h

As said if the improve the sawn of mechanic than it might become useful. Just think your example through. Why would you switch from a mosin to the sawn off? Mosin does more damage and can shoot multiple times and switching takes ages, just to shoot 1 bullet its awful. 1 bullet in close range will probably always be awful so I dont know if they really can improve it. And again if you are "happy" that you found an IZH then you would also be happy if you would find a CR. I really like variety too but it should be meaningful otherwise the world will fill with junk..

Many things get removed from games that are fully functional because the game is simply better without them. Imo the game would be better if all IZH get replaced by Cr527 since the cr has "happy" moments for the player (find a mag, find a scope) while fitting the same role Derringer has a distinct role which is begin the smallest firearm in game (although I think it should take even less since the derringer IRL is smaller than a can of beans). Its suffers from the bad gun draw speed in game which is why it unpopular but that’s a balance not a design issue.

IZH 18 is useless since the only thing that makes the IZH attractive IRL is its cheap price. The only reason why it’s in game is probably its popularity (or the popularity of Izhevsk weapons in general) in eastern European countries. Even if we get changes to the scope the IZH will only be a worse version of the CR and therefore still have no real roll besides being filler. Now some say filler or junk items are needed but I think that’s wrong and just an easy way out (game design wise). Instead of filler items there should be situational items (the car, cooking and gardening parts are good examples for this) that fill the world with items that are not always useful but can have an important role. Maybe if we get a version where all the other weapons become very rare then it might have a place or when the saw off mechanic becomes more useful but so far its meh Currently I don’t think that flair is a good enough reason to keep this weapon in game and think it will probably be replaced/removed.

I think the big problem is the ridiculous size of the tents and their bad storage capacity compared to their size. Just compare the size of barrel (49 Slots) to the tent (63 Slots), its retarded. Barrels are just the superior storage unit and I hope they will get removed/nerfed soon since they are supposed to be also used for other things (leather,fire) which will not happen until they are changed. I think if the tents are changed to a normal single person tent instead of a family tent things will be much better. Something like this http://i50.tinypic.com/i6crgw.jpg or that http://www.atlanticsports.co.nz/shop/111-206-large/bivy-tent-one-person.jpg If we get helis than we will have problems with the tents. Maybe reduce the view range ? Dunno we will see once we get them. I think the big problem is the ridic

As already said thats the only benefit the helis provide but the chances are very slim (0,036 in the best case) + There is the chance that it is an weapon that needs an mag which only spawns at heli which turns the interesting weapon in a useless burden. Also why does it have to be 8 weapons? Why not only leave 1 or 2 at helis and move the rest to the military? Would keep this moment you speak of in game and add more variety to the pvp.

Rarity for a reason is fine. For example I think its good that ghillies are very hard to get since they provide a big advantage to a player and can change your play style quite drastically. Rarity for the sake of rarity is ass design. You can take a weapon thats spawn in a heli (lets take the aug) and switch it with a comparable military spawn weapon like the ak74 and the game would play exactly the same. No you dont need an aug for pvp. If you point out the parts that are faulty I will try to explain them in a clearer way.

Again keep your aggression I am not interested in it. I explained quite in detail why I think a military spawn would have the same effect but perform better. Currently as you say its just luck, a big slot machine that does add very little to the game. Btw good try at the "you want it easy part" when an airfield spawn would make it actually harder, you know since its an heavy pvp area instead of a uneventful walk through the woods.

With lucky heli crash i referred to finding a heli when not looking for it. Which is why I have included things like finding the mag ect. since this plays an important role if you only find one by accident. 90% of the helis are within <10 minutes to the big military locations so they dont spread that much. Since there are about 9 military locations (excluding Prisons, Policestations and guardhouses) the spread might be even bigger than with the current spots. Atlast I also would appreciate it if you tone down your passive aggressive tone no one is trying to harm you and the change would probably not affect you. You could still do all the stuff you mentioned as well as before

I have now timed my runes and optimized at much as possible and I dont believe you at all that you run them in 1 hour Thanks for your answer but you missed my points. I know, and stated, that for pvp there are better options. I am also quite confused with your "civiian weapons" and " military weapons" statement. Getting an ak is piss easy(even on private server) and doesnt take much time and I never said otherwise. Or do you only count heli weapons as military I am unsure please clarify. Btw don’t do these IRL examples please don’t. Back to helis Helis spawn nothing but tools for pvp but are to much effort for pvp which makes them pointless. The only benefit, imo, of the heli system is that a player might find a lucky heli crash but I dont think that happens often when you look at the odds Have heli spawn in front of you ( 1/14(4 Helis) actually even lower since you have to be at there at the right time)Have the heli spawn a weapon at all (From my experience at least 50% of the helis do not spawn any weapon besides nades)Have it spawn a mag for the right weapon (lets assume it does every time)Actually want the weapon (lets assume you like every weapon)= Best case scenario you have a chance of ~0,036 (~1/30) of this happening (getting the right number in roulette is 1/37) If we would just let the heli loot spawn at the military areas we would have a better game since we would have more weapon variety. Just let the weapon spawn with less chance than the ak74 (I think the current spawn table is sks(most)>aks>akm>ak74) and everything would be fine. Inb4 “you just want gear when you start” If I can get an ak in 1 hour I should get a slightly better ak (AUG) in 2 otherwise no one who values his time will ever go for it (at least in the current build). Side note: I have done even more heli runs (probably my last ones) and still not had 1 fight at them @Public Hives Loot Its completely fucked there are so many problems with it: Admins hoping duping, restarting ghosting, low pop looting. Every time I watch a streamer how plays on public I see a shitload of this “rare” heli weapons it just shows that the system doesnt work.

What I really want is a proper balanced weapon spawn so that we get a nice variety of weapons. Currently too many "weak" weapons/magazines are too hard to find (amphibia,sporter,makarov,snaploaders,cr,p1,fnx,shotuns,izh). Currently all is see is glock,mp5,ak,sks,win,mosin.