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Day z could have sort of a living world. Having all humans and zombies already on the map when it start and having users starting as a random human when they join the server, is impossible at least with current tech. So I come with a different idea to make the world more living. After some server is created, the first player that joins it, start normaly. When some player decides to quit the server he needs to wait some time (small time) if someone join while he is leaving the thread the player that is joining the server, start as this char as the position he were. If the player leaving the server wants, he can wait to more if he want someone to start with his char. When joining a server for the first time (unless you are the first guy to do it), if someone else is logging out while you do it, you start as this char, if not, you start normaly. If you log out and then try to join the server again, you will join as someone else char if they were trying to log out when you joined the server, if no one was trying to log out while you joined it, you will join as your old char, if no one became your last char while you logged out last time or you will join as a new one, if a guy did it. PS: the same rules that works for logging in, works for dying, if you dying and you are trying to respawn on the same server, and at this time some player is trying to log out, you will join his char.

The idea I said was impossible would work like this. You have the entire map filled with bodies, zombies, animals, and humans. Every living being (and zombies) that would be on the map at some point of time, will be at the map when it start. Lets imagine the map start at august 1 2013 15:00, every living being that was at the area at august 1 2013 15:00 will be there and they will be at the place and situation they would be at the time. Every living being would be controlled by ai. The game would have literally no respawn, when you respawn you just start to control some random human that was previously controlled by AI, when you leave the server the AI start to control back the human. Also no itens would be respawned, the itens could be created (if item creation is one of the gameplay features of the game that has this gameplay idea) but you can only pick itens that were at the start of the game or created itens. After just some amount of humans remain, the server would restart back to the starting point. I dont think this idea is possible right now.

The game makes it a more living world because a char will have a smaller chance of magically disapear, if you log out (and someone try to log in into the server) this same guy will continue to exist on the server. On normal day z, if you log out, the char simply goes out. You will only lose your char on those situations: 1-You are loging out and at the exact same time someone else ON THE SAME SERVER died and is respawning 2-You are logging out and at the exact same time someone is joining the SAME server 3-You are logging in and at the exact same time someone is loging out. On those 3 situations you already "lost" "your" char, no matter if he is a cod player or a very hardcore player. On situation 3 there is no way to get your char back and on situation 1 and 2 the only way to play again with your char is if someone that in controlling this same char you used to play, tries to log out while you are respawning or logging in. See what I said before on this post, if you log out from a server, you will continue with your char, you will only lose it IF and only IF someone was trying to log in at the same time you were trying to log out. Or if when you join the server next, someone is trying to log out while you log in. In non of those cases you will lsoe your char because of a shot in the face, but because some other player is controlling them. Nope, that is not what I want, i said 2 ideas, one is impossible and the second one, that is the one I want on the game (because the first one is impossible at this time). The one I want works like this. When you join some server for the first time you start with a default char. Every time you join some server (even the first time you join it), the game will check if there is someone trying to log out, if yes, you will start to control this char that was trying to log out from the server at the same situation he was, with same itens and everything. If you die and tries to respawn, if someone is trying to log out, instead of respawning with a fresh char, you start with the char that this player that was playting the game was using, at the same situation with same items,......... If you are trying to log out from the server and someone is trying to log in, this guy will take over your char. When starting again at this server, you will start with a new blank char, unless some of the situations I said before happen (so, someone is trying to log out when you log in). Situations where the game would continue as usual (but you would have a different char per server): You respawn and while no one was trying to log out (most of the cases) You log out while no one was trying to log in into the server. (most of the cases) You log in into the server while no one was trying to log out. (most of the cases)

There is no "my char" with that idea. The world is a living world and you start as a guy from it.

No, its not. With that impossible idea, the servers would start at a preset state, with some zombies on the map and humans at specific parts of the world. Npcs would control all humans. When someone join the server they would start to control one of those random human at the situation he was at the time this player logged. When the player logs out, the ai would go back to controling the human. Thats how the impossible idea would work.

Yes. But you will only take someone else char, if you join some server while a guy is leaving it or if you die and try to respawn whle someone is leaving the server. 1-If you log out and no one was trying to log in on the same server, you will not "lose your char" to someone else. 2-If you "lose your char" they are gone, if you "lose your char" when you log back, you will 2.1- Start with a new char if no one is loging out on the same server 2.2-Start with the char someone was playing if this a player is logging out while you log in 2.3-Start with your old char at a different situation, but only if someone that was using your old char is loging in. The idea of that is to make the world, a living world. PS: IF NO ONE JOINS THE SERVER WHILE YOU ARE TRYING TO LOG OUT AND THEN NO ONE IS TRYING TO LOG OUT ON THIS SAME WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO LOG IN BACK, EVERYTHING WILL HAPPEN ON THE SAME WAY.

If something, I would ask for a FP only server side option, and not a FP/3p mix like some here do, some say here fp is flawed and dont ask for a 3p only server option, they just ask for 3p not be removed from FP/3p mix and that is stupid. Also my argument would be.... well I would need to think about it, because I dont even know what would be the good points of being 3p only

First person is not flawed. Thats also my opinion and also (this one I am not sure yet) the opinion that we should limit the servers to first person view only. I am asking this question because many guys here are using the argument "first person view in day z is flawed" to say why we need 3rd. The strange thing is that they say that we need 3rd person view because first person one is flawed, but they just ask for the additional 3rd person mode, they dont ask to remove forever the flawed (in their opinion) first person one or at least remove (and keep 3rd person) it until its fixed.

No one answered my question. Its possible to have third person view only server right now? Another question. Many guys here are saying that we need third person view because first person one is flawed. If first person view is flawed, why you arent also asking to make the game 3rd person only? I mean, if as you say, first person view is flawed, and if we want to make the game good we need to remove flawed things?

So its possible to have 3rd person only thread?

If you were talking about me you misunderstood me, because I already know and even said in the my posts that we have fp server. Also I am not exactly beating a dead horse. One of my idea (based on all the stuff being said here) is to include the option of 3rd person only server type and remove the mix only. Well maybe not removing it but, if we going to have some fp only server type, also have the 3rd person only server type. This is not beating a dead horse because 3rd person guys will like this idea and not complain, first person only likers will hate it but we already the fp/3rdp mix servers that they hate, so we will change from some bad (in their opinion) situation to some situation that still bad, ending "at the same situation". Well, it will not be the same situation, if we exclude the FP/3RDP mix servers, and have only the FP only servers and 3RDP only servers, because with that situation, when the server owner want to have some server that will make 3rd person view players happy, he will need to make some server that allow only 3rd person view and with enought 3rdp players the amount of servers FP players will be able to play will be way smaller. Of course this could be easily fixed by allowing the 3 types of servers (fp only, 3rd person only and mix one).

Having a server type that allow BOTH choices would be trying to paint everyone with the same brush. If we were not trying to paint everyone with the same brush we would have: 1-FPS view only servers type and 2-3rd person view only server type. And IF (and only IF) you count changing the views at specific moments (at some soments [like walking] player use 3rd person view and at other moments [like firefight] the playe use the fps one) as an third style of playing this game we would have: 1-FPS view only servers type and 2-3rd person view only server type. and 3-Player while playing the game can change between first and third person anytime he want server type. Having having third/fps mix and not having 3rd person view only servers (the situation we are right now) is "trying to paint everyone with the same brush"

Some explanation. This game was suposed to be first person, you can sort of see it by the fact the game has fps view only servers and also have fps/3rd view servers. Anyway, some are saying that the game NEED 3rd person view, and can't have fps view only, because the fps view is flawed. Then some say that the 3rd person view is the one flawed. We want a good game and if something is flawed, this thing need to be changed or removed from the game. Based on what I said before (some say fps view is flawed and at the same time others say 3rd person is the one flawed), we have TWO choices: 1-The developer think about it, discussing with us or not, to discover which choice is really the flawed one, first person or 3rd person. And completely remove it from the game. or 2-Have two separated servers types, one that allow only fps view (because 3rd person is flawed and would make this server worse), and another that only allow 3rd person view (because first person is flawed and having it would make the server worse). According to you in the post I am replying to, BOTH choices are flawed and so thats the reason we need both at the same time. If BOTH are flawed, we have one choice only: 1-Start to think about ideas on how we fix the first person view flaws and then, after we fix all those first person view flaws, all servers would only allow first person view.

So, here, some FPS players are saying how having third person option is some bad idea. Then, some third person players are here saying how having it is a good idea, because FPS is flawed or has some problems..... So here is some fix: The game will have FPS view only servers. So make something like this. You can only play in FPS view in FPS servers. You CAN ONLY play in third person view in 3rd person view server. If there are some problems with game fps view or fps view in general, (so, the reason that make the game needs 3rd person view according to many here)., the only logical choice, is to make 3rd person view servers only allow 3rd person view, having some server with third person view and FPS one would make no sense.

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How I think Day Z should be: 1- Map is a island. 1.1- Map start with all npcs (zombies, humans, animals) that will be on map, at their places. There is no respawn. 2- When a player join the server he start to control one of those npcs (human only), this will be choosed at random, they will start with what the npc have at the moment and in the situation the npc is. 2.1- If the player dies, he will start again (he can't play as a zombie), controlling a new random guy from map. 2.2- If player leave the server ai will continue to control this npc player was controlling. 3- What player have to do is to try to leave the island without being infected. 4- Player can enter houses, drive cars, boats, use guns, eat, drink... How zombies would be in my idea? I dont have a specific idea. Fast, slow, fast then after some time slow, science based one... The previous stuff I said is more important than if the zombie will be fast or slow. So this would be a mix of arma (FPS view, realism..) + gta (amount of stuff to do) + shenmue (detail of stuff).

7.62 have a f*cking good inventory system. The only problem I can see with their inventory system, is that they have only one slot for left and right hand. And that some very small things occupy a larger space than it should occupy. In fact I think all tatical or simulation fps should get ideas from this game and put in their own game.

In my opinion zombies should be like this: They are like humans, but dont need to drink, sleep, eat, or feel pain. Zombies are stupid. When someone turns into a zombie, this zombie will walk with normal speed, if they see someone they will start to run and continue to run until they get the guy. After sometime, he wil will walk with slow speed and be unable to run. You kill zombies like you would kill someone in real life (excluding by reasons I said before)

I would pay: A) Game purchase only B)Free to play, no buying stuff with real money. I would like the game to be A)Studio Developed. B)Studio developed until a alpha comes, users are able to pre-pay to use alpha versions, they are able to give opinions on this saying what need to be included or changed to the final game, new alpha versions are released, after the game is released, gamers that didnt paid for the alpha, buy the game. C)A mix of studio and community developed stuff. If someone has a item, idea,.... that he think that should be in the game, that he can create, and that the developer think that fits in the game, he can develop it and send to developer. D)Full comunity wiki style mod creation.