UltimateGentleman

How would they even work? Mines on a road? People would just see them and avoid them. I don't see the point in ships either there's like no reason to go in the water, there's not even much of it. Maybe if they added some off shore town or island with good loot but why, still just makes it more of a war game since anything good would be weaponry. I don't know how bad it was in the mod but killing people on the coast is like all people do that, airfields, anywhere they see people and Berenzino but mostly camp around the coast because somehow it's fun to kill fresh spawns. NOW IMAGINE YOU CAN BLOW THEM UP OH YES So no, it only caters to douchebags who want an extremely unfair advantage. Again it doesn't matter if they're hard to maintain a squad of dudes can just server hop until they have enough shells and fuel to last forever, or they they can just spawn in where it drops. I kind of like the idea of a static tank or two though, with one shell added and maybe nearby there could be a destroyable building. Just for fun. But it would be a pain for them to implement just that. Someone explain to me why they "should" be in the game, I'm seeing that a lot in this thread, why should they be in a survival game? Who the fuck has that as a priority over not starving to death? Also armouring up things...I like the idea but how would it work? No person could carry armour good enough to actually do anything and why is anything worthy of being armour even laying around? The best people could get is corrugated metal sheets which would do nothing but suck, realistically. Or should people be able to put big heavy plates of metal in a backpack? Only for everything done to the car/tank to be reset in a few hours anyway, with the amount of time it would realistically take to set up the kind of crap mentioned in this thread the server would be almost resetting so it's even more pointless.

Yeah as soon as you get a chopper you can go anywhere with your friends and just get all the food/ammo in a map they're so damn pointless. "They make it faster to get around the map" You're not supposed to be able to get everywhere in minutes, it's a survival game there are no fast travel options in real life, you can't just pilot a helicopter with no training in real life so why should DayZ be like that when it's supposed to be as much like real life as possible? Play the mod or play ARMA/Battlefield if you want to have helicopters in a game, instead of turning DayZ in to more of a war game than bandits already make it.

As with helicopters I do not see the point. This NOT a war game, why make it one? It's a survival game and as said if you have tanks you need to have rocket launchers. Which every asshole will just camp with in Berenzino or wherever an annihilate anything that moves. They make no sense to add, especially not with the lack of a destruction engine in the game this game is about realism so shooting at someone in a house and it not blowing the crap up is retarded. Cars will be enough, they will be tanks in this game and I think they're all that should be added in the way of vehicles, except maybe motorbikes or bicycles. Taking on a group of guys in a jeep or something would be hard enough as a fresh spawn don't give people tanks too god damn... The coast would just be hell and the game would just be terrible, absolutely terrible.

Well a red dot sight would be fine, provided it was on well enough to not be shaking around. If you had no other way of attaching the sight it's the best option, not perfect but something. I've had people kill me with an M4 from way up a hill, like 300m at least so if they can do that I don't see why the SKS shouldn't be allowed the long range scope.

Not in the game now but there should be later on the PU scope isn't that great, it's kind of annoying how the M4 has like 10 different attachments or something and the SKS, which is debatably as good has basically one since the bayonet is useless at the moment(and probably will be even when usable) Even just duct taping a red dot sight to it would be nice.

Well I don't have much trouble doing it, do you actually click the heads of the zombies or try to time the axe swing so the animation hits their head? I find that clicking the head actually hits it, even if they run past you and the animation completely misses since everything is lagged out anyway it tends to hit them.

Wouldn't it be cool if some zombies could get knocked out or take a hit to the head with an axe or whatever, appear to be dead for like 10 seconds or maybe even just spawn on the ground looking dead and then suddenly get up to charge at the player? It would be annoying as heck but it would add to the difficulty in an interesting way I think, especially when zombies actually have loot on them you could go over to check it and then it jumps up at you, so you shoot it and probably attract more or have to melee it and possibly take some damage, especially if you see that it has something you want but you didn't have the time to take it, like a bandage or can of food. Or in the case of military zombies much needed ammo/magazines. You could get round it by just double headshotting them but it would still make things a bit more difficult, and in stereotypical zombie fashion you've all seen a movie or played a game where something seems totally dead and then it suddenly comes to life and does something annoying. Right now they do seem to get knocked out or just fall over but it's only for like a second or two so it would be cool if they expanded on that and made you think it was safe, turning your back on what might just kill you. Maybe when they do more than just swing their arms around they could jump on your back and start biting you too, your lack of caution giving you a serious and possibly fatal wound.

Pretty funny but would have been better if you went through the actual town between the buildings, now that would be a risk :P

In third person? It's a lot easier in first, in third you aim at their head but the axe actually hits their shoulder most of the time. And then there's some zombies that just keep getting up...

Firstly I made this thread so it has more detail in it -> http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/192233-1-bullet-everything-in-backpack-destroyed/ Right now if you get shot by one bullet, just one single bullet, absolutely everything in your backpack can be destroyed. Same with anywhere else on your character, a zombie can slap you once and wreck your pants and everything in them even though they don't aim there. I think a probability should be added to the game where in which one bullet hitting your backpack has a random chance to destroy 1-3 random items rather than everything. It makes no sense and it makes the game overly difficult. The game shouldn't be easy of course but if some less-than-respectable dude shoots you, a nice guy, from out of nowhere but you manage to win the fight there is almost a 100% chance that your morphine, bandages, rags and sticks are all ruined so even though you killed the person who started the fight they still win, you can't loot them for healing supplies either as all their stuff is ruined too. So it's really unreasonable right now. I think this is something that should be added quite soon, the probability mechanic that is. Everything being destroyed should be left for hardcore, perhaps.

Well with the fire axe you just need a straight headshot, it's just awkward with the hitboxes the damage itself isn't....too bad I guess, could be better. Anyway I'm pretty sure it's just the same, I hope they add that feature soon. I mean I'm sure tons of people will call it unfair and cheating but you still have to use one gun at a time and have a weapon out all the time, so anyone else can just run away easily and there's a good chance of mowing them down because they have their mosin instead of their M4. So it's not "game breaking" as some people describe, the game is supposed to be realistic(not that having weapons float on your back is)

Why will they be? No way will they not be able to hold multiple people, and if people can shoot at them they should be able to shoot back else it's just stupid. Just because shooting them worked in the mod doesn't mean they'll have it work the same in the SA, plus you have the issues with lag and such hitting them would be highly based on luck while they can just rain down fire upon you until you keel over. @topic, It doesn't matter if they are "rare" clans will just spawn in right where helicopters show up and take them just to go kill people, unless the fuel etc for them stays on the server itself then they can just have one guy with fuel and parts and go on a rampage. They really make no sense to add as said it's not a PVP game. The single good thing about them being added would be watching people crash and burn while they're extremely glitchy. Also what if people find ways to cheat and make fuel canisters last forever or something, there's bound to be some kind of loophole they can abuse. Bandits are terrible enough as it is don't give them air superiority. MAYBE some heroes would take heli's and kill bandits, but the ratio of heroes to bandits is like 1:500.

I don't really see the point in adding them, it's supposed to be a survival game being able to go to every single town in minutes and get all the food is just stupid. I think cars and bikes should be enough helicopters just don't really fit in, plus you would like never get to use them every asshole would camp round them and shoot you the second you got near. They only really work for large scale battles which are hardly common. It would be cool to set up 20 vs 20 or more clan battles using them...but that's about it. Other than that, can you imagine how shit it would be for fresh spawns? clans would just fly over the coast in helicopters murdering everything that moves, fresh spawn killing is a big enough problem why enable them to be many times more efficient in it while at the same time giving the fresh spawn literally no chance. Out in the open, gunned down. Hide anywhere, heli lands and the clan takes you out effortlessly. So no I don't think they need to be added, unless they have specified "battle" hives with more guns and whatnot for exclusively PVP.

Now this is giving them too much credit, just because they can hack stuff in the game doesn't mean they can do all that. Why would hacking geniuses waste their time playing this game? Maybe some do but I highly doubt there's more than a few, if any. An active admin on a private server that you have to buy in to is probably the easiest option, admins can be on 24/7 if they're employed to be there doesn't need to be only one admin per server. Provided the servers could hold like at least 100 people easily anyway. Given a monthly wage then if an admin starts doing things they shouldn't, no money at the end of the month so that would basically eliminate them being assholes. I certainly wouldn't mind paying a few pounds each month to have a reliable server that isn't full of douchebags.

Still though I think people renting a server should be obligated to act as an admin and kick people for bad behaviour. Also I guess BattleEye could have actual rules? How many times have you went on a "friendly no KOS" server and been gunned down? If you're renting a server PVP should be something you can put off, for example. BattleEye or just the game in general. I'm not sure it could ever be so sophisticated that it completely negates any cheating though. It would have to map and monitor the whole land to tell if someone is in a wall when they obviously shouldn't be, so I think player solutions with the right idea could work just...which ones.

Yeah couldn't have put it better. I'm ok with the backpack itself being ruined with a few rounds, since I doubt it would be easy to make it so a bullet hole can be over every inch of the thing but the actual stuff inside should have security in the form of probability. It would also add some legitimacy to KoS since you can actually kill for people's supplies not just to be an asshole, but the exact thing you want still has a good chance of being destroyed so it's not too bad or too good a situation for anyone there'd be a nice balance to the game with this.

Not specifically gravel but things to cover your stuff with. What gravel are you talking about anyway that's not in the game :P stones are going to be necessary for building a campfire, I'd imagine so having them get ruined is still bad. And it also just reduces the risk not negates it completely your pistol or whatever you really need in your backpack can still easily be one of the things ruined.

So a bullshit mechanic that makes no sense is better? This game is about authenticity/realism one bullet destroying all your gear is in no way realistic even if it didn't get stopped a bullet wouldn't have enough energy to ricochet around and wreck everything so there is not logical explanation to more than a couple of things being slightly damaged or destroyed. As I said anyway if your backpack has 40 slots and 20 of them are filled with misc stuff, then you only have 20 for useful items against a group of guys you have little to no chance. Plus you've still been shot even if nothing important got damaged you're hardly at an advantage are you? Yeah it's the sort of thing you'd do in real life really, try to pad your gear with stuff to make it more resistant like in movies when they line clothes with books(not that that really works too well) it's the sort of thing people would try in real life.

Is this always going to be the way? It's so annoying that if your assualt vest for example gets shot once everything in it except guns gets ruined. You might get hit in the leg once but survive the firefight only to find that your morphine and rags and sticks have all been ruined by one freaking bullet. I get that they couldn't have realistic placement of hitboxes all over clothing so that if a can is at the top right of a backpack and the top right gets shot only the can is destroyed but it's incredibly stupid that EVERYTHING gets ruined in whatever is hit. They should just make it destroy one or two things at random that would be way better. Then if you get shot up at least you might still have bandages and morphine to save the day because you have no hope if all that is destroyed, as whoever you killed is going to have only ruined stuff too. So even if some jackass jumps you and gets a few shots in, in the end they still win since it's damn near impossible to survive having to roll about. Especially sucks when you get shot unexpectedly but survive and get ready to arm yourself, only to find all your bullets for all your guns are ruined, however that could even happen. By the way, a tip. Don't empty ammo boxes until you need to, if the box gets ruined you can empty it and the bullets inside are still pristine. Literally the only thing that helps keep you going until they make the damage system make some form of logical sense.

Yeah that too I slid down some stairs once and the screen flashed, checked the status screen no bleeding or broken bones so I went on my merry way. Then I notice like 10 minutes later that my pants are totally ruined, which had my only shot of morphine in them. What luck that I found another one minutes later but it's still stupid, why make it like that to begin with? I don't think a probability mechanic would be all that hard to add and it would make the game so much better and more fun. All I really have to say to that is, so? What is game breaking about that in any way? If you have loads of useless crap then that just means you have less space for mags and whatever else it's not like you could survive every engagement that way and on the off chance that 1 of your good things does get hit you're screwed. EDIT I think weapons should definitely have their own hitbox too(weapons outside of backpacks) Imagine how awesome it would be if you could sneak up on some M4 wielding douche, shoot their gun ruining it and do whatever you want to them.

Yes. Melee weapons should be deadly to humans and average on zombies, mostly requiring headshots. If someone slices your arm with a machete you're hardly able to lift an M4 to shoot them easily. Sledgehammers would be great for sneaking up and breaking someone's legs or straight up executing them, unless they have a helmet, then knockout or dazed vision at least. I had a machete one time and started attacking this guy on the stairs of a police station(I figured he was some KoS guy, there's no reason to be in Berenzino with full gear other than to kill people) so I slashed him a few times in the back and ran away, then when he started bandaging himself I ran up the stairs and sliced him at least 4 more times, before he could finish bandaging. So at least 6 machete slices, 6 points of bleeding and 6 attacks. Dude still mutilated me with his M4 and bandaged himself up. I'd love slings, especially if you could just put random shit in them, even grenades if they add them. But no way in hell should it be a case of aiming, clicking then you hit the target. You should have to learn how to time it right. However this would probably lead to huge issues with all the lag in the game. It could still be a very good item when audio is made realistic. Group of guys you want to dodge, get your sling out and throw your flashlight or something so that it smashes on a wall and distracts them.

Yeah but we're still playing this game right now, we still gave them their money so they should add least add some working features in so we can enjoy testing it for them fully.

I think 4 is a bit much, especially if it's random. What if you have two pistols and two morphine shots in there and all that gets ruined? I think 3 things being destroyed per bullet should be a maximum with slight chance, on hardcore maybe more things should be destroyed. Anyway glad to see people recognize this is a big stupid issue. The only problem is that when they make this game difficult, as in less cans of food everywhere if you see some geared up dude you know you're only going to destroy at best 3 cans of food if you kill him, so everything being destroyed is good in that it will make people consider how much of the limited supply they're destroying. Maybe they could make it so that zombies just get attracted to the dead body? So you can't just kill someone and safely get their 10 cans of food there's some risk involved, when zombies don't take just one bullet to kill anyway/ It's still just too broken right noq though. I think everything in your pants should be safe from zombies at least, they never hit your legs so it's stupid that they get destroyed at all, then you could just keep morphine there. I'm looking through this thread hours later, I'm sure someone else will have by now?

I think mostly this. The audio in the game is awful, you have to look over walls with third person to see if people are 20m away even though they have big hiking boots and a backpack full of bullets and other things that would be making a TON of noise in real life. It's really crap that you can't hear doors too you could be quietly chowing down on a precious can of tactical bacon only for some douche to walk in behind you undetected and shoot you in the head, which more often than not they will do. Also if you're in a two story building you should definitely hear people walking up stairs it's really lame that everyone is virtually silent until they're close enough to kill you

Something like a big claymore with its weight could probably cut in to steel good. But if they were in the game you'd have to be able to cut people in half. Imagine you could just run around like you were from Highlander chopping everyone up... It would be hilarious but makes no sense. Unless they added a museum somewhere or multiple where medieval weapons would spawn? Doesn't seem like the kind of area where a museum would have commercial value though. Being able to make spears should be fine enough, the pitchfork should work as one for sure. Maybe they could add metal bars in, like the ones used to reinforce concrete for you to make a spear out of. Though they'd be a bit heavy. Metal poles of some sort anyway instead of just wood all the time. Off topic but wouldn't it be cool if you could attach a mirror to a stick to look round corners? That would be fantastic in hardcore.