taco86

Now you're seriously talking out your ass gib... Especially considering that the manner in which a 5.56 m855 or m193 causes significant wounds and energy dump is no longer present beyond 200m... A mosin is certainly not the lighting magical super sniper that it is in dayz, but you're seriously underplaying it's capabilities and drastically overplaying the effectivness of an m4a1 beyond 500m...

Casualty recovery should be an extremely important portion of the game play as it drives decision making as well as potential player contact... Currently, it's not, that's the problem...

No bullet splashes is one of the first things I noticed with the update and has forced me to put the game on the shelf since... If the first time rocket2guns noticed this was recently and due to a fan, then I seriously question the attention to detail coming from the very top....

Ehhh, it's not exactly that simple... Each bullet has advantages... 7.62x39mm has better terminal ballistics than the 5.56 m855 beyond 200m, and 7.62x54r has better ballistics than a m855 beyond 500m, and again better terminal ballistics beyond 200m... Do I think the m4a1 should be the better gun? Of course, however the mosin most specifically has significant advantages at long ranges compared to both, even if it's mechanical accuracy at 100m is about 1/2 that of a mil spec m4a1. 5.56x45 m193 and m855 out of an m4a1 tends to just fall out of the sky when they get out to 500m+, an ar-15 with 18+ inch barrel spitting 77gr mk262mod1's is a bit of a different story though.

9x19 =/= 9x18... 9x18 fmj is 95gr at 1050 fps = 231 ft/lbs or 313J 9x19 fmj is 115gr at 1300 fps = 420 ft/lbs or 570J .45 acp fmj ball is 230gr at 830 fps = 352 ft/lbs or 477J So it's obviously closer to the .380 than the 9x19 you're confusing it with...

Gabe, my beloved valve gluttony master. A "low energy" bullet like a 9mm fmj has about 4x the energy of a bolt fired from a 150 lb crossbow... A .308 has close to 30x the energy of the same bolt... Velocity is an extremely important factor in determining the amount of energy an object has... 1/2mv^2 m855a1 out of a m16a4 produces (62gr 3,150+ fps) 1370 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle... 425gr arrow fired out of the "Tactical Assault Crossbow" at 400 fps shown in the video linked a couple pages back produces 151 ft/lbs of energy... "Penetration" has far more to do with center sectional density and composition of the projectile. As for "lethality" an arrow or bolt is far more efficient in terms of required energy to sever tissue, so it's not as simple as just comparing KE.

then go make a thread about the issues with those other weapons.... Stop trying to hijack this thread...

Marines started fielding the m4a1 in i think 2009. As you also stated, it's very commonly used by spec ops circles within the US and several other nato nations which could certainly explain their presence. USMC plays a very significant role in arma2 which some say dayz's lore is based off of. IMO, the existence of the m4a1 makes far more sense than that of the m4. I'd much rather a full length ar-15 like the m16a4 or mk12spr be the semi auto 5.56 rifle.

It really depends on the type of armor the target is wearing... Soft lvl 2-3a kevlar will defeat the round, however there will still be rather significant KE transfer resulting in sever bruising and in certain cases broken ribs... Hard lvl 3a kevlar however will easily defeat many many rounds fired at point blank with very minimal impact to the wearer... Once you get into rifle plates, like lvl3 ar500 steel, lvl3 steel/titanium, or lvl 4 ceramics, the lack of effect on target becomes even more exaggerated... I'm sure some of you have seen this video before, but if a picture is worth a thousand words, this video must be worth a million... Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI01qKAqYts

You gave me a video that's been linked many times already showing a specific tactical "xbow" (btw it actually fires arrows not bolts) shooting through car doors as some kind of evidence that a modern xbow firing bolts is more powerful than a HV rifle? I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at here... Are you actually, seriously claiming that a 400gr broad head bolt moving 350 fps will cause more significant wounds than a 55gr projectile moving at 3,000 fps, or 62gr projectile moving at 2900 fps?. If you are, you're just as intentionally misinformed as the rest of the poster with this same position... Put your ego on hold for a second and you may actually learn something...

Dude.... I posted those in direct response to the misinformed crap someone was spitting as fact... Gotrek is the one that brought 15th century xbows into this, claiming that a bolt of that period would pass through a knight in full plate armor and strike one behind him???? Do try and keep up please... As for "weak as crap"... uhhhhh, draw weights of bows and xbows of that period are actually quite comparable to today... Xbows generally being the exception because 15th century "Variants" had a drastically shorter draw distance compared to modern xbows, requiring much higher draw weights to achieve "similar" levels of KE. The correlation between draw distance, and projectile velocity is not completely dissimilar when compared to barrel length of fire arms...

Come on Gews.. add a bit more than "you're all wrong"... :P

Yea, you're spouting myths... Enjoy some modern experiments which disprove that... 15th century xbow with several types of bolts against armor of the same period... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76mbOMFjlu0 And the long bow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3997HZuWjk and another xbow vs period properly heat treated breastplate... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO1J7ku70P4 P.S. Arrows and bolts are quite similar... Generally bolts are faster, shorter and lighter, arrows of course are the inverse... Either way, bolts and arrows easily defeating plate armor of the period is a myth which has commonly been disproved during the 20th and 21st century... Once you start getting into duplex and triplex plate armor, arrows and bolts became pretty much pointless... These duplex and triplex breast plates were capable of stopping period fire arms...

Other than bone, muscle tissue is the last thing you want to get hit by a bullet (organs aside, as an arrow or bullet will destroy organs it comes in contact with)... It drastically speeds up the rate of energy transfer compared to hitting less dense tissue like fat... It also reduced the penetration depth which is NOT what you want to have happen to you... And no, the area of destruction from a broad head or field tip is not larger than a rifle round, not at all..... A broad head or field tip severs tissue... it does not out right obliterate it... The overall "volume" of the wound cavity created from an arrow or bolt is FAR FAR FAR smaller than the volume of the permanent wound channel created by HV rifles... There is a reason why shot placement is significantly more important when hunting with bow or xbow than with a .308.... The likely hood of having to track the animal after shooting it with a bow/xbow is also much much higher than having to track that animal after shooting it with a hunting rifle cartridge... Sorry dude, but a HV rifle round is significantly more deadly than almost any arrow or bolt fired from any hand held bow/xbow... .308 150gr JSP vs 20% ballistic gel... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJycZ7iP2M

You're "understanding" of kinetics is flawed... A 7.62x39 or 7.62x51 or 7.62x54R all cause SIGNIFICANTLY more traumatic wounds than your typical 150+ lb cross bow with a broad head or field tip... Here is what 7.62mm can do to 20% ballistic gel... A bolt does not cause anywhere even close to this level of tissue destruction... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFkLAgGy6w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYF8DTLcj4 The impulse of the energy transfer here is very very short, meaning massive G forces experienced by tissue beyond the permanent wound cavity... We're talking 50-100 gs... This part is just a bit hypocritical... Asking others to stop continuing to post in a thread while continuing to post in a thread...

wut? real life battle rifle?... Sks is a carbine dude, firing a 7.62x39 with much worse ballistic performance than a 5.56 xm193 or m855 fired from a mil spec m4a1... As for terminal performance beyond 200m... SKS certainly has the upper hand though unless m855a1 mk262mod1 ammo is being fired from the m4a1 ...

How could I have missed the mag and the mag well... my bad lol

Going to have to agree with this. Introducing a mitch with netting as a far more rare ballistic helmet would be great. I'd also very much like the lvl3a hard Kevlar mitch to actually provide realistic levels of protections... This means it should provide almost no protection against hv rifle rounds, however against 9mm, .45acp, .357 magnum or most specifically .22lr, it should be able to eat large numbers of hits w/o defeat... Realistically a mitch could eat 100 .22lr bullets w/o defeat or really any significant energy transfer to the wearer, aka you should not get knocked out by a .22lr in dayz while wearing a ballistic helmet... Overall I'd very much like to see an increase in the variety of ballistic helmets, the mitch, PASGT, At least two Russian helmets , as well as the new lvl3 ECH (being fielded by the usmc and us army) capable of defeating up to m80 7.62x51 nato should all be included imo. Netted mitch, and the ECH should be by far the most rare. Btw nice pic, suppressed mk12spr mod1 spotted.

I'd like to see them have a minimal positive effect on the sway a weapon has when up but not aiming (holding down right click) while also having an equally small increase in weapon mass... Attachments certainly need to increase the mass of the fire arm, specifically to drive some level of choice in setting up your weapon beyond "all the stuffs". If these are to increase weapon mass, even by a very small amount (only 82 Grams for magpul AFG, about 2.5% increase on a loaded bare bone m4a1) very few people will use them if there is not some level of a game play incentive... Vertical grips are suppose to decrease fatigue on the user during extended periods of the weapon being shouldered. This is due to reduced strain on the muscles in the forearm, the result of a more ergonomic wrist position. Don't believe me? Hold your left arm up in the support position, now rotate your wrist like you would be holding a heat shield and fore grip. Use your right hand to feel the muscles in your left fore arm while doing this... You should notice a rather significant difference in the tension of your fore arm muscles between the two positions. Angled front grips (AFGs) are commonly used by speed shooters that use a more elbow out standing firing position. According to many, this firing position is extremely effective at controlling recoil. This, to me, is more than enough justification to grant a reduction in recoil (by a small amount) when using this attachment. As for an actual "significant" increase in stability while standing(or really almost any position)? Rifle strap is your answer.

It's a soccer field! Football is this game! /sarcasm

The round on the first dude was not stopped by a plate... You can clearly see the dust being kicked up after he was hit, meaning that at least a portion of bullet passed through him and struck the ground. lvl 4 ceramic plates will completely stop a .30-06 AP round at point blank, which is well beyond what he was probably shot with. The second vid is very famous, and the lvl 4 plate certainly did completely stop the steel core 7.62x54r bullet fired from a little over 100m. He dropped because he just had about 2,000 ft/lbs of energy distributed across his chest via the plate.

Jamming and having to manually re-chamber your weapon via pressing "left click" again would be fantastic. This mechanic should be affected by a combination of quality level on top of excessive weapon temp.

Good post wayze, I just wanted to nit pick this particular point. A bullet is certainly very lethal, and it will destroy pretty much anything within your body that it comes into contact with. Bullets kill by a combination of direct destruction via the bullet itself, as well as secondary via massive KE transfer and tissue expansion. What's so deadly about the energy transfer is the rate at which it happens. Essentially there is a very short impulse which results in very high G forces within the tissue surrounding the direct wound channel. Most tissues cannot withstand anything close to this resulting in massive damage well beyond the permanent wound cavity, which can also be very large... Btw, that video is very upsetting. I know it's off topic, but public servants should not be murdering those that they are tasked to protect... Armed forces around the world have been heavily restricted in their use of force. Sure would be nice if the "good guys" aka cops played by the same rules... The lack of "cannot fire until fired upon" restrictions is a bit insane if you ask me.

I'd like to see overheating applied to all fire arms. While it will have very minimal if any effect on the majority of fire arms, some of the faster firing weapons like the m4a1, ak47m, and eventually lmgs should certainly have some heating issues after firing several hundred rounds.

Well, arrows/bolts will zip through soft kevlar... But the plate/hard kevlar, and stab resistant kevlars will be nearly unaffected by them. The amount of KE an arrow or bolt has is also extremely low in terms of projectiles these armors are designed to defeat meaning that trauma behind the plate or stab resistant soft kevlar would be extremely minimal... We're talking energy lvls about 1/10th that of a typical heavy weight boxer or mma fighter's punch, 100ft/lbs vs 1000 ft/lbs. Everything else you've stated here is generally correct though, minus the 55gr m193 vs steel armor. Most lvl3 ar500 steel armor today will defeat very large numbers of these rounds even as a standalone. If you put some frag protection on that ar500 plate and place it into a kevlar carrier... You get the idea, m193 55gr are not going to be punching holes in modern ones at point blank, let alone normal combat ranges... They certainly were capable of punching through the steel plate armor used during the late 80s and early 90s though, so that point has some merit.