Trooper42o

Other then no one gaining from doing it i dont understand why its an issue in a game that puts major points in loot and gathering and no reward for killing people for no other reason then loot. I accepted it as norm when i bought in to the alpha. I got myself geared to the teeth the first few days but even months later i dont understand the need or main goal of people to kill anyone they see. Takes everything good about a game under development and turns it into a grief fest with no one winning either way. Yet thousands of people do it, brag about it on the forums even tell people they suck for doing it yet do it themselves. I have never KOS'd anyone. even let people live who shot at me missed and couldnt find me. I had a blast watching them with no intent on killing them. The fun was watching them when i know they know im around. The best part of dayz in my opinion. My post is more in disappointment rather then hating kos people. KOS is a waste for everyone but on a bigger scale it keeps the level of fear inconsistant with the reasons to play. I have one of my first toons i ever created and he goes back to day 2 of steam launch. only killed a few people in defence of group mates or friends and tried to talk and work with people rather then hunt and kill with my first available shot. Im ok with dieing in pursuit of something i want or becasue i was careless. I can deal with that but i ask myself why would i kill someone i saw for no other reason then i saw them. To me engaging them in some way other then to kill them makes the experiance so much more for us both. I dont want a reward for being nice or waiting to see what happens i just dont want to feel like my only defense is to shot first ask questions later. I know better. Everyone loses when anyone kos. Yet i am well aware it happens and dont even put myself in a position where it can happen unless i can deal with it and accept its going to happen. Im a hudge arma 3 fan was talked into dayz and to be honest i love it. I just wonder to myself, why more people dont play with an open mind and kos is the safest or best approach. At first i thought so too but after time i see kos is a killer for my and everyones game experiance. Its gonna happen for many reasons to many different people. They goal in this game of all games is lets try something that helps us all long term and not take a 5 min rush of blood and make the whole experiance revole around that. After spending 1200$ on upgrades i still get shitty fps, but atleast it looks pretty. I would rather render a bush then hide it only to see someone kos me from behind it. Just my opinion and if this game gets anything right its the free will of people to do what they want. Even if later they see it was good or bad. Looking forward to the arma 3 mod of dayz down the road. anyone else think its a no brainer.

The random DeSync on all servers and for everyone is a game breaker for a lot of reasons. The op makes just a few of them obvious while dealing with the issue first hand. Happens a few times an hour on every server i have ever joined. I have noticed through rubberbanding it happens even when we dont see the warning or are even aware of it. Its always been a part of the arma engine. Arma is a great co-op engine. Or sp engine. Multi pvp has always been rough. DeSync is almost a sure thing. Knowing it 100% of the time is impossible.

There is nothing gained by people hacking a game for an unfair advantage. In time the only thing you can hope for is a fix for the problem and the ones who ruined it for everyone else gets left behind. Not sure what the motivation is behind cheating everyone involved with nothing gained. Not like you can sell the shit u wall hacked on ebay

Camps for groups of players is they only thing that will advance this game past where it is now. Making loot more rare and shit harder to find without adding a reason to loot is only good if there is a reason to loot things u dont need for yourself. I feel anything you add to encourage ingame trading or anything that counters kos is a big plus for me. Kos is always going to be apart of things. The understanding of when to do it and when not to can be changed by things like camps and storage. I had heard at one point about underground bases or camps. never played the mod but at some point there is going to have to be something greater then individual goals. Or it could just always be what it is now.

Why is saying this topic has been discussed anything but troll behavior when i wasnt talking about anything specific. I was talking about my opinion and my thoughts about something we all have an opinion on. Your observation about there being many other post about the same thing is so kind of you. We can all bask in the forum knowledge and see we have been shown the error of our ways. No1 can voice there opinion without a million people saying the same thing. Best thing to do when u have an idea. Keep it to yourself, a ton of people have already invented it. What other advise can you give me as far as what to believe and hold dear or how i can spend my free time. Your opinion of my opinion is so spot on, please keep giving

i can understand your point of view. I didnt mean for this to be so focused on kos but more about the reasons there are for not doing as apposed to the gains from doing it. Those threads are everywhere. The end result. If i see someone and i dont know you i will not shot you because i can. I will wait and if u need to be shot i will do my best to make it short and sweet.

Just one small thing i want to add. I think its important and i didnt mention it before. My best times playing this game was with friends on voice seeing random people for the first time. Seeing them seeing us and reacting. Thanks to dysnc it was uneventful but was a thrill all the same. The reason i like this game is something i control. My pov or way i play is what i want others to get out of it. In most cases to follow and talk to someone is a lot harder then laying next to a tree on a hill and watch them loot the the same shit you just looted an hour ago. Shot them because you can and actually get nothing from it. What is the motivation other then i got them before they got me

I guess if this guy/gal speaks for most people with nothing diffrent to say then ok. I wasnt trying to bark about things in the game i wish were better or point out all the things they know are needed but word it in a way that sounds original. I was trying to speak to the player in us and maybe explain to people who dont understand there is more then an instant risk reward system in any game thats going to keep me playing through bugs.if i treat everything and every person i see with the same outlook im already expecting whats gonna happen. Even make it so with what i do from one sec to the next. Very enjoyable part of the game but at some point there is going to have to be more of a forgiving we are all in the same boat approach with a risk or reward attached or this is just going to spiral into a grief fest as it can be now. We all understand that. I think. Atleast i do. Its not about what i have and they dont have but more about regardless of what shit i have in my inventory there is a reason to go on and risk an open field for a house that might 1/1000 have a can of beans.If u have nothing and dont fear dieing whats the point when ur good to go and can lay in the woods for days on end camping a loot spawn to kill a guy with a bat and a motorcycle helemt. I could have done what someone did to me. I worked 3 days straight to get all my shit back and hold up in the very same spot. When the time came i approached them and made a friend. Was my choice. Im happy with it as apposed to what i would have gotten from killing someone who was just like me because i could. Not right or wrong but an individual choice. More to gain with a small risk then instant thrill of doing what was done to me less then 24hrs ago. Im just trying to explain in some small way why as much as u have to hate it, it can be just as rewarding as disappointing. It is a game after all. I just get more from it i feel i owe some of that enjoyment to the next person playing because without other people it wouldnt be a game much less one i would share my arma 3 time with. Dayz standalone will be better overall if peoples wants and joys are expressed in a positive constructive way. not everyone feels the same but if you look at peoples words and actions with $ or the number of full servers at the end of the day. We the people who play this will make it what it will be. To say wow everything sucks starting with the engine are not thinking about things in a real world. they dont have an original thought. They are just a small part of the thousands of people who paid for and spend there time playing. All i can ask from the game as it is. With everything we have covered here. I just want to not have a choice with valid resons when i roll up on someone or be caught by suprise and not think if they see me im dead. We all expect that. Or believe we have never been seen without our knowledge. Im sure. I ahte feeling like im fighting for my opinion when its just what i think. I know others agree. Even if i was unaware of that to say im wrong and your right just because you dont agree. Well that says as much about my OP as anyone has. Thank you.

i Agree and me along with some other friends i play with had a fear of ghosting or combat logging and would head towards smaller servers but what i have noticed we were missing the never know what can happen part of dayz. Much greater risk of dieing to someone from kos or just because they can. I find it more enjoyable 80hrs in to just see how people are when being helpful or giving someone something for no gain. the longer this game is around and perfected by the devs and mastered by the people who will live it 24/7. The more we will understand killing other players is that much more enjoyable when its done for bigger reasons and for something other then a quick laugh. We all who want this experiance we get to be better and better all of us would agree. Having a soul and that soul having an impact on how u play a game in which other people have those same moral choices is rewarding only if everyone involved understands it and sees it for more then what they can do in 5 mins. I have had 100's of chances to kos people and dispite be told just do it, everyone does. I want what i get from not doing it more then the 30sec thrill most people get from doing it. That should sum it up. Like most things in life, u get out almost as much as u put in but if u dont put in u get nothing back. I refuse to be someones asshole that I am glad someone can see my points and not take them as judgments of how some may play. Like i closed my other post it applies here. You get out what you put in. You put time and thought into what you were doing. Thats all you can hope for out of how things are now and will be for the near future. I just think and i feel you agree there is going to come a time when its less a part of what people can do and what they have to do when the situation presents its self. I said way back when i get geared im gonna kill everyone i see because thats what they would do. Now a few months in and fully geared still i wouldnt do that to someone like myself unless i was left with no option. Nothing gained and everything lost for the person who was killed for no other reason then to kill. People i think at heart want something more over all. But as u said we are left with how things are now and once you have everything you really need gear wise u play to help friends or play something else till your time is worth the risk

Well i would agree. It hasnt been a probable for me because i refuse to do it and will not put myself in the position if i can help it. im not afraid to die but i am thoughtful of whats around me and would rather see someone killing me then wonder what the hell happened. I think you may be right. The kos issue is an issue for people who do it and people who are victims of it but in reality i think anyone who loves the direction this game takes. They are the ones who understand every situation is different and to run and gun like other games would actually do u a disservice in Dayz. I understand the thrill at first but in hindsight we all understand its a game and at some point looting for shit when u have nothing is a hudge part of peoples experiance. Makes me not want to die months in and also makes me aware i get nothing from killing a guy with a school briefcase and a baseball bat. Hell if i kos i wouldnt even know his name or where he is from. Much more intresting to me. even if he is bait from a bandit gang. The worst parts of the dayz experiance are up to the players to fix. it is what it is. What we make it and want from it will be much bigger if we keep that in mind