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Ok so I will repeat myself. This is a game in which human movement while holding different objects, is attempting to be addressed. I think we can all agree that human movement, however much practice you have, is actually inconsistent, and inaccurate. So I suggest that your argument is in fact out of context. Also your thread title which you write as an absolute is in fact a matter of opinion since, immersion levels will vary from person to person and as I have already pointed out to you, for me no form of movement using a mouse to control something on the screen is going to make something immersive for me because it is a middleman in the situation. Also there is no such thing as a rock solid arguement because if it was rock solid there is no arguement it would simply be stating facts. The fact is that many people disagree with your fictional argument becaise it is in fact a matter of opinion.

Cool I can see you are getting frustrated, is it perhaps because you are clearly wrong, your thread is based on fiction and opinion and you fail to respond to the more relevant points in my replies.

Seriously? Expanding crosshair on movement and view panning is not going to solve any immersion issue for me. I would say that it would decrease immersion, because who has crosshairs in real life nevermind crosshairs that change size when i move. The point of a flat scren and mouse+keyboard breaking immersion for me is because in real life I do see things in three dimensions whilst a flat screen can only display two, and a mouse+keyboard breaks immersion for me because it is not comprable to using your hands at all, it is in fact a middle man in the process. Agin you were using abolutes while being wrong. Your reason being that it portray that it would mean that you are not confident in your subject. Which is wrong, because the subject is actually a matter of opinion. Using, I "think" or similar would actually show a better understanding of the subject, because in this case it is rather subjective, since this particular quote of yours was in fact in reply to my own personal experience and opinion of immersion.

Try a different bush maybe ?

since when does one = all ?

May I suggest a little brush up on your reading comprehension skills Wrecklessmedic. I was not telling people what does or does not belong in a forum, I was merley suggesting a more relevant alternative. I will also add that sarcasm is commonly known as the lowest form of wit.

Yes I can see that from your topic history also.

Alright Inception. I will change my ways. Its just that you seem to be referring to this one thread. I was referring to this as well as the following: Where is all the friggin water at ? How Big Is The World Right Now? Screenshot folder ? So.... um WTH? forgive me if i thought that they belonged in the new player forum, as they do seem to pertain to being a new player. I was not aware of that the same topics were often found in both general and new player. I only added the troubleshooting and google as an alternative, just to cover bases. apolagies :) edit: I amit I was slighty annoyed at the questions being posed, as I feel that no effort was made on the OPs part to find a solution. So instead of expressing my annoyance, I tried to help by offering an alternative means of finding the answer that did not involve posting on the "main" forum for the game.

I have a similar thing that happens in gaming, to me at least. I have been gaming for many, many years. Now what used to happen when I got a new game, I would play game for many days, weeks, and probably finish it. Something changed, when the internet became involved, I started to look at GameFAQs and forums etc. This opened my eyes to a vast new world of end gear weapons, magic etc etc. The change was slow, took a number of years but I soon started to realise what I was doing, I had in fact turned one of my favourite hobbies into a job! A job that was to not play the game for fun but to follow such a strict path through games, collecting absolutey everything it had to offer. This was not fun and I did not feel any sense of accomplishment either. I now try to avoid any sort of thing like that with games that I am really looking forward. Yeah sometimes I get stuck and like to do a little research. Moral of the story: Ignorance is bliss!

Yeah no worries man! :P It happens all the time to be honest.

haha, nice one. :) Oh incase you fail to notice, I simply suggest another course of action, whereas most mods I have encountered would demand, but I can see where the similarities lie and your joke came from.

Yeah that may be true. I find the same thing happens in Fifa also. example: you are only allowed to score a goal a certain way, or you are not allowed to use certain plays. Happens in fighting games also. example: you are only allowed to use certain characters, you cannot repeat one action too many times in a row. I often find that people who dictate certain ideas, are in fact manipulating the situation to their advantage. quite sad really how many people do fall for it.

Sorry mate but I did not realise that asking you more about your ideas was an arguement and im genuinly sorry if I have offended you. You in fact stated that there were obviously better ways, and I simply ask that you share those with us.

Yes, I agree it is very sad for me :(. Is it possible you have confused the word immersment and engrossment?

I enjoy the option to be whatever I want, whenever I want. I feel no need to be shoehorned into someone else idea of what a bandit, hero, KoSer is, by some of my previous actions. The fact is, no system is perfect. Especially with computers. It is far to easy for them to interrpret one action or a series of actions as "definition A", when it could in fact be "definition B". No compuer can in fact read a persons "intent", it relys on actions only and when the actions of different intents can easily be very similar or even the same, then you can maybe see the issue here.

Guys please note that perception of immersion is going to vary greatly from person to person. I for one, cannot be immeresed in an environment while looking at a flat screen and moving with a controller/mouse+keyboard.

Would you care to share with us some of those obviously better ways please?

Would you like to go into more detail ? There is actually what you suggest already implemented in the game if you go to a hardcore server.

Im sure your view of an asshole could very well be different to another persons. So Im not sure there is a definitive answer to that. :blush:

IRL there are situations where you would get blood on clothes, hero and villan alike. This could be replicated in the game. It is not neccesarily an indication of a persons intent, especially in post apocalyptic world with actual villans running around. i.e blood from someone else's wound, after a zombie or villan attack, in your attempt to save them.

It is indeed general discussion. Do you understand the word discussion ? Not ask a newb question forum. Which is what almost all of your threads consist of. Now, please try to understand and comply with my previous suggestions before I make a citizens arrest. :)

Mate your post is all about why 360 no scope would never exist on DayZ. While ignoring the fact, that I have effectivley nullified your entire reason for making this thread. So I suggest that you were in fact deflecting my arguement, whereas I actually addressed your post in my reply. You now seem to be arguing for arguments sake, just relax buddy. Maybe take the advice I suggested.

Perhaps you could try: The troubleshooting forum http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/forum/126-troubleshooting/ or The new player forum http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/forum/122-new-player-discussion/ or Google https://www.google.com As you seem to have formed a habit of starting a lot of threads that I feel do not belong here.

You earlier pointed out that you preffered to use less words to explain something. Now you have taken up 5 lines trying to explain what you wrote in the first half of the first line. so..... "I would like to add that a "360 no scope head shot" is not a feature of raw mouse input in a game like Day Z." has no relevance to what i have posted above. The scenarios were taken from outside of the DayZ game. So in reply to my post that explains how your entire argument is out of context, you have taken what I have said out of context. This seems to be a recurring theme. I suggest that, as you advised me in your patronising post to me, that you take some time to research some of the more technical terms. As there is a clear failure of understanding on your part.

Actually does own research before placing unreasonable blame on devs/game etc for own inadequacies. Then thanks community for contributions. :thumbsup: