Franchi (DayZ)

My previous statement implied you cannot hit a target past ~250-300 with a 22 carbine with any reliability, this is a fact your own video backs up. If you cannot hit it reliably you cannot kill it reliably. Given the small amount of damage caused by a 22LR at the speeds it travels at 200m+ the area you need to hit for a kill is very small. Keep in mind that this is dayz, where getting shot in the chest by a 7.62x54 just needs a rag +some food to repair. You cannot compensate for bullet tumble, there is no mathematical equation or ballistic chart that solves that one for you. Sorry wiki warrior you are wrong. In a game where multiple 45 ACP rounds to the chest and a 7.62x54r to the chest is survivable a 22lr should not be considered dangerous. If you knew you were going to be shot but could pick the round would you choose to be shot by a 7mm Remington magnum or would you choose to be shot by a 22lr? If I was stuck with just one gun I would choose a 30-06, pretty much every firearm company chambers a gun in it, most common center fire rifle in the US and is good enough for all game outside of dangerous African game (even there it can do the job). Effective at well over 800 yards. Thankfully I will not be restricted to just one gun, I will have my assorted 22lrs, 22 magnum, 9mms, 38 special, 45 ACPs, assorted 223s, 762x39, 243, 308, 270, 762x54r, 30-06, 7mm Remington magnum, 20 gauge, 16 gauge and 12 gauge among others to choose from. Honestly the logistics of medical supplies would be far more important than the logistics of ammunition.

Realistically just about any GSW is going to be a death sentence in an apocalyptic situation, blood loss, shock, trauma, internal bleeding and infection. You can't just go to the ER and get fixed up by a trauma surgeon, even keeping the wound clean and dressed is going to be a problem nor can you run down to the pharmacy and get some antibiotics. But that is not going to be fun for most people.

And a 45 to the chest should put you on the ground, as should a 7.62x54r, neither should be survivable. Heck in a post apocalyptic world nearly any gunshot wound should eventually be fatal. That is realism, but that is not exactly fun for most people. I own a lot of guns internet tough guy, probably many more than you.

22LR about the best 22 ammo out there. 223 (5.56 nato), typical load excellent bullet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m2vaJCBQTs 30-06, typical load typical bullet. 7mm Remington magnum, standard load, excellent bullet. Bullet? yes. Good man killer? No.

22LR about the best 22 ammo out there. 223, typical load excellent bullet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m2vaJCBQTs 30-06, typical load typical bullet. 7mm Remington magnum, standard load, excellent bullet. That's what I shoot, even the same bullets (Barnes TSX) tho my bullets are 10 grains heavier and my load is ~120 FPS faster. Take your "22lr Is very lethal" argument elsewhere, adults who own guns are talking. Sure a 22 CAN kill, but unless we are going to make every other weapon in the game a one shot kill anywhere on the body they shouldn't kill players in dayz short of 5-10 rounds. Ive liquified a deers internal organs (heart liver lungs) with a single round of 7mm Remington magnum, the hydrostatic shock is THAT intense.

Can it be lethal? Yes. Can you reliably hit a target in a vital area at 200m with a 10/22 carbine? no. Most 22 defenders such as yourself don't even bother checking whats being discussed or used in a youtube video Its velocitors a high velocity 22LR load the yellow or orange or purple line, not the far more common blue line, fired from a custom 10/22. Your own video despite using velocitors and a custom 10/22 backs me up, what 10 or so recorded misses on a stationary head size target at a known range and wind with previous sight in at the same range and location? I am terrified!

No it shouldn't nor should you be able to actually hit a person in the head with any reliability with standard 22 ammunition from a carbine or pistol from 300 yards. Past ~250 yards you are dealing with better than 8 FEET of bullet drop and a bullet that is ballisticly unstable, it is at that point tumbling, a plaything of physics, gravity and the wind. Ive shot targets with a 22 at about 200 yards, no wind, from a specially built long barreled 10/22, that's about the limit of a 10/22 and the 22LR cartridge. I doubt even that beast could kill a person at that range, least not on purpose.

The FNX 45 is a derivative of the FNP, it fits all the requirements of the JCP but neither was officially adopted, the program was suspended indefinitely in 2006. They are used in civilian police forces but are not to my knowledge issued to any military units US or otherwise. There may be some exceptions but it is certainly not widely used. Updated 1911s are much more widely used in the US military. Admittedly the model in game is clearly a civie weapon. I don't get your last, the marines have the same standard issue side arm as the rest of the US military, the M9 Beretta. The 1911 is as I stated used in some units.

Invert that, the FNX is strictly a civie weapon, some branches of the United States military do still use modernized 1911s within some units.

10/22s come drilled and taped for scope mounts. Unless this is some knockoff I am not familiar with.

My presious! 1911 Accept no imitators. Invented and developed 1890-1900, adopted by United States army 1911. In game text needs a correction.

Outside of military regs, different boots in different situations are worn inside and outside of pants. It depends on what you are trying to achieve. wearing wellies in the water? inside. Wearing cowboy boots/work boots/hiking boots while tromping through brush? Outside. Wellies in the brush? Outside, unless you enjoy having twigs and crap in your boots causing blisters.

Oh you euros and your wars. Lend Lease. Look it up. Show a little gratitude. Keep your revisionist fantasy history to yourself, use it to console your own inadequacies, it has no place in a debate. He didn't under estimate Russian manufacturing. He underestimated The United States of Americas ability to make deals with and provide aid to ANYONE if its in The United States of America or its allies best interest.

The FNX was developed and is built in America.

The Browning HP while invented by John Mosses Browning, was designed and built in Belgium, I would expect to find it in a slav state, its a wonderful classy firearm that has world wide popularity.

I made a comment about rebuilding after WW2 originally, the other guy was pointing out that in most cases we are invited in to keep the peace for other nations, Like Korea and Kuwait. I was just backing up his comment with my last.

Russia, China, Iran and Iraq have all asked for and received American military aid in the past. If those 4 turned to the US in their hour of need WHO WOULDN'T? Are you really going to make me list every country that has asked for or received military aid from the US? It is a VERRY long list, it would honestly be easier to list the countries that we haven't provided such aid or assistance to. If we include humanitarian aid I don't think we will find more than a handful that haven't asked for or received it. I know about the books, believe me. On the subject of the map, if the books are in English and German and french this should offend everyone who is arguing agasint Americanization of the game just as much as the M4 colt python and FNX. I maintain the language is in do to laziness and the imersive disorientating affect it has on players.

I was under the impression that the signs were in Russian to disorientate players, making it harder to navigate and making it more imursive. All of the books are in English or German or French.

Honestly this does belong here, it leads to the point that M4's and American military gear should be EVERYWHERE. I sent you a Pm about the rest, the rebuilding comment is mine it is about Germany and Japan WW2, the original point raised. The rest is about situations like Korea and Gulf War 1 ETC, its from someone else.

I honestly don't care what weapons are used in dayz, wouldn't mind seeing some of these east block "beauties" http://www.guns.com/2013/06/12/homemade-guns-35-photos/ In the case of Germany? Hell yes. This is the one we are discussing here, but I will humor you and continue. Korea? Hell yes. Vietnam? Well we and our allies forestalled a genocide that killed millions. There was mass murder in Vietnam as predicted, par for the course in a Communist take over. Communism, totalitarianism and despotism spread in the region, the dominoes fell as predicted resulting in even more death. But hey you Europeans didn't know that would happen after you brokered "peace", its not like we TOLD YOU. Not a win, a case of buying a few more years of life for millions with the only currency that really counts, blood. Gulf war? Yes, we were invited, we did what we said we would, and didn't take a step beyond what the host nations wanted. Somalia? Hell yes. Our more recent conflicts have other goals, the doctrine is about fighting them there rather than here. I disagree with the methods, but not the objective. As to the assorted manipulation of foreign powers, south America, Africa, Iran/Iraq war. I don't have an opinion on that. I don't know enough about what the people who made those decisions knew to second guess them. Two party system, we can choose between two "fucktards", its not really a choice.

FYI FN=international company FNX=America made. Location=Columbia, SC It was originally developed for the United States military, but the contract that it was meant to fill was never executed.

its laid out like a small part of the Czech Republic. https://www.google.com/maps?t=h&ll=50.7130699,14.0857862&spn=0.0231758,0.0488014&q=Lipov%C3%A1&output=classic The river is the coast So its set in a NATO member state who issues limited numbers of Bushmaster M4's to sections of its military. Until the Euro children find something more definitive than this and the wiki they need to cry in private about seeing "western" items.

Are you aware of how much money America spent rebuilding the countries we and our allies and enemies bombed to hell after WW2? Total aid to West Germany (the country that STARTED the war) alone totaled ~$1,448,000,000 non inflation adjusted 1940's dollars. Germany defaulted on the loan portion (much of it was grants) but decided to pay it back as a matter of honor and national pride. You want your country rebuilt? Just start a war with America, we will bomb you back to the stone age and then rebuild your country. In exchange for this generosity we get called imperialist war profiteers and earn the hatred of the rest of the world.

At least one brit was attending Standford when they came up with the idea, therefore British invention. If one rivet or one janitor on any project was British its a British project.

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