My first and third aren't contradictory. The crazies I am talking about are the people running around naked with their heads down screaming inane things about their dog being eaten. The sadists are people who run in deep north, log out, go to a new server when they find an air base, grab ALL the shit, get to the coast (empty server, no chance to get shot) find a great spot to camp out, switch to a high pop server, and just start shooting people whole sale. In fact I think the insane people running around playing music might even be a decent distraction for some of us who are trying to actually loot and survive. If you add in consequences this kind of cheating quickly becomes the only way to roll, and in order to put in what you want, you have to alter and change mechanics people legitimately LIKE (being able to gear up and make a long trek north, log out, and still have your progress maintained) If your friend doesn't die also, and if you aren't spawned on the other side of the map from them. I mean that's a few if's and I'm sure more people are running solo then group up in general. Dying when you got all the cool shit still sucks even if you know where to go. Anyone can hop over to an empty server and then switch over, but that still takes time, it's already a reason to be afraid. The problem with adding frustrating death mechanics in a world where there is no where 'safe' is how quickly someone could get spawn killed from being an 'experienced' survivor, to losing all their 'experience'. And with what your adding KoS becomes the ONLY option. If dying is no big deal you consider talking to people and exploring interaction. If dying causes you deep time wasting loss (in a game where you can already walk for 2+ hours and see / find NOTHING) then there is never any reason to not blow people away. The only people I can see going for this are people who already spend 8 hours a day playing this game, and wouldn't mind a grind being added on top of some mechanics which are already frustrating for anyone who wants to just hop on solo and run around for a bit.