Sidewinder24

Ken, I had my wife read your posts and tried my best to explain what the argument regarding 3PP vs. 1PP was all about. She literally burst out laughing and asked, "Is this guy being serious or is he trying to be funny?" It was good to have a 3rd party review some of the stuff you post and affirm I wasn't just going crazy thinking you don't have anything legitimate say. Just thought I'd share. She's not much of a gamer except she played WoW a couple years ago and plays Hearthstone now.

Umm...okay. What makes you think 3PP balancing has anything to do with your ability to see your own character?

3PP balancing.

I'd rather they don't split the community. And if they absolutely must, then refer to the 1PP only, no hide body servers as "normal" and 3PP-enabled, hide body as "casual." That would be at least an accurate characterization. Like I said though, better if they didn't.

Yeah, I refuse to be told not to discuss and debate on a general discussion forum. Is criticism okay as long as it isn't directed at you, or the way you play, or how the way you play affects the game? The constant, *throws hands over ears* "La La La! Not listening! Not listening!" from certain people on these forums is getting ridiculous. You don't have to agree and you can vehemently provide counterpoints but trying to stifle the opposing view's observations is quite possibly the worst thing you can do for these forums as well as this game.

Whoa buddy. No one is saying you can't use teamspeak, just like no one is saying you can't use Dayz DB or increase your gamma so you can see clearly at night. I never said you can't use those things. I only contend that the people that use these casualizing resources cheapen the intended experience. The experience Rocket, the guy who made this game possible, has commented on numerous times. Just like this thread's original topic of there being a realtime tracker of your character on the map, other non-authentic resources dumb the game down (my opinion). You're free to use whatever you want but you're not free from me calling you a casual cheeser.

Exactly! The only reason this movement exists is because the zombies brought all the casuals to the yard, and they're like, "the games better our way," and they repeat, "game's better our way." Zombies in any capacity are significantly more mainstream than military simulators.

I meet new players in gameevery single time I play. Had so many great experiences that way and don't have to rely on outside resources that infringe on Dayz's ultimate goal, authenticity. Are your juvenile discussion tactics what netted you all your friends? I bet you're pretty popular with the kids at your middle school?

By adhering to that standard someone could say, "The current in-game map that you can find looks like ass quality wise and doesn't show as much detail so I don't mind using the DayZ DB map." or " The current default nighttime settings looks like ass quality wise and doesn't allow for acceptable levels of lighting so I don't mind adjusting my gamma to compensate." You point out that you don't like the in game VOIP because you can't whisper and compare it to real life. You then go on to endorse a program that allows you talk without anyone else in the game world being able hear you along with the capability to talk to your friends miles away without any in-game device on your character. *facepalm*

So now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing? I'm sorry but, "well look at all these other things that cause problems, that means that my exploit doesn't need to be addressed because look at them, I mean, just look!" isn't a compelling argument. Hackers are going to be an omnipresent problem too but that doesn't mean the developers shouldn't try to deal with them. Let me guess your response to that. "Well I mean you're never going to be able to get rid of hackers so I guess that means it's not really a problem because umm....because everyone can be affected by hackers...yeah that's it! Everyone can fall victim to hackers so it's balanced! No fix needed." Goodnight man. It is obvious you hold a completely different understanding of what 3PP entails so there's really no use in soliciting your flawed logic.

You started this whole conversation because of my response to a post talking about choosing one server type over another. I said why not both. One where you can cheese your way to easier gear by not having to put yourself at as much risk and then coming over to a 1PP server with a huge gear advantage. I guess you still don't understand that my complaints aren't all based on authenticity as outlined with how, even with separate servers, 3PP creates an imbalance. The only way to fix the irrefutable imbalance would be to fix the 3PP ability to see around objects and or have separate hives for 3PP and 1PP servers. Nothing less, nothing more.

Again, just because you keep saying 3PP is fair doesn't magically make it so. Even if a server was 3PP only. Saying 3PP is balanced because anyone can use it, or it's fair because they have a choice is akin to giving someone the choice between a car or a bicycle in a race down the street. If the race down the street = Survival in Dayz...........how is that a choice again? To be competitive (ie survive the most efficiently) then you are forced to play 3PP. Otherwise you're at the huge disadvantage. That isn't balance, that's poor game design and the opposite of an authentic experience which is something Dayz claims to strive for.

So to you as long as everyone has access to something it is balanced as long as they have a choice? More choices the better? So you'd be fine if everyone had access to an in-game map that shows all player's location on the server then? I mean, as long as everyone has it available it is fair and balanced and good, right? Also your M4 or Mosin scenario doesn't really make sense because those are something you have to earn whereas 3PP view exploitation happens at the press of a button.

It was a tongue-in-cheek remark there to illicit slight outrage but end in a smile. We all know how casual 3PP players are and how they love looking at people that can't see them. :P

For anyone that enjoys using 3PP but refuses to cheat with it by looking over walls will be at a disadvantage. Like I said you are hugely minimizing your risk by gearing up on a 3PP server and then you can just join a 1PP server to wreak havoc on those that are taking infinitely more risk getting the same gear as you.

If played correctly, even another person who is using 3PP won't be able to see you but you can them. That's why it is a false argument to say "well everyone can use it so it is balanced."

Don't tell that to the people that rely on Dayz DB. What are you going to do though. People who want this game to be a casual experience will always find a way. 3PP view abusers, nighttime gamma adjusters, and teamspeak-only lamers are evidence of that.

As it is now, why not both? Gear up easily on a 3PP server then come over to 1PP server and murder everyone. Crosshair or no, does that seem balanced to you?

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I've never heard of this and hope it was just a weird bug. I'm certain there are quite a few people in the 3PP community that would love to know how to get this though.

Stay classy. KoS' comment was obviously tongue-in-cheek even if it did have an underlying truth and meaning to it. Quit acting like a child and insulting people. Thanks.

If being obnoxious and elitist means supporting your arguments with facts and calling out those who refuse to listen then yes, I'm exactly that.

And this is why we can never have a legitimate debate because people like you put your fingers in your ears and "la la la la" in the face of incontrovertable facts.

ruhroh. Someone doesn't understand that 3PP and FOV are two very different things. LMAO at comparing Gears of War, a 3rd person arcade shooter, to DayZ. Christ the types of people DayZ is bringing in is getting scary.

We need desperately to get many, many more 1PP-only servers and get a seperate hive before the gross imbalance 3PP brings is dealt with.