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It's not much about KOS as it is about wanting to make a decision to trust someone. Nothing is immersion breaking because you don't have to participate in it. It's not mandatory. It's optional. The implementing device would be a button click on the part of the asked player (ie: F10 reveal stats) if he wants to. He can do whatever he wants to do as is now the case. Shoot, remain silent, run off. This system is not directed at KOSers. It is directed at the player who wants to not have a reason to KOS. A persons stats will only be revealed in a voluntary manner. Never in a forced situation (even when that player is dead).

Do you feign indignation here? I sense it. Why, did I catch you doing something disrespectful and unthoughtful? Like answering a thread that you didn't fully read or understand? TL;DR. And people thought the Devs using Alpha was bad. Don't forget to throw a tantrum now that you've been caught and exposed. Your behavior, like a lot of other people, is rude. Just not as obnoxious.

CJ, You have clearly not read this thread in it's entirety. The points you bring up aren't even valid with the way I feel. I think you've read the cover and back page of this book and skipped the content. This is the problem with forums. A person can jump in and respond at any time. That's fine and allowed but each and every point you have put forth is assumed by you. This is not even close to a I hate KOS thread. Or butthurt thread at all. If you've read any thread at all of mine, you would understand that, even jumping in the middle here. Without any intention to do so, you may have just derailed my thread. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that it was not intentional. I can not make arguments for or against non-arguments.

To all. If you want to discuss. Fine. If you want to criticize my idea. Fine. If you want to be a troll and display your ignorance for all the world to see then move on and avail yourself of your right not to read my garbage.

No one said you did. All I ask for is a little intelligence to invalidate my idea. Obviously I havn't found any with you.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say? Who are you to judge what a bad or pointless idea is. You now know I post bad and pointless threads, so I shouldn't have to bare with you from now on right? So avail yourself of the right not to have to read my threads and DON'T. You are a pain in the ass and a troll. Good day, sir.

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I don't care either. You don't even have to use it if you want to be surprised. I am enthralled by the simplicity of the two questions in The Walking Dead. When those questions are asked by Rick and the chiefs (Daryl for one) I can just picture them scrutinizing the subject like a world class poker player their fellow players for any little tell that the subject is full of bull. My imagination. Oh well. Tis just a game. Trust me. I have no delusions that it would even be implemented. Just saying.

Caboose, please tell me you understand I'm not talking about universal stats that everyone gets to see when they are close by. It is only on a 1v1 basis. And only revealed if wanted. Because it seems to me you are misunderstanding because of you bringing up the mod's humanity system. I am not talking about that here. My little device changes nothing, does nothing in game. It does not reveal to the world at large anything unless you want to reveal it. It doesn't change appearances. It doesn't let the world see you are a bad guy at all. The two systems are incomparable. The humanity system revealed to the world what you were. I'm against that. The only thing it does is help you make a rational decision to join with someone. That's all. KOSers complain about tedium in the game, the PvE aspects. The Anti-Kosers complain about the tedium of dealing with KOSers. Tell me it's not tedious to befriend person after person who, because of the pervasive KOS, kill you the first chance they get because you have absolutely no other choice but to believe them if you happen to be a player who likes teaming with others. And before I hear I must be butt hurt over KOSers. I am a lone wolf. I loathe and shy away from encounters at every step. I have been caught out because of stupid play. I embrace that. It adds to the suspense and surprise of my gaming. I read in the forum that others are butthurt over these circumstances. I tried to put forth and idea that slightly mitigates this. But before responding, can you all realize what I am saying to begin with. I don't know how to make it clear that I am not talking about a humanity system.

The ONLY gauge to trustworthiness in the game right now is a bullet to the brain. I am surprised at the lack of response from the Anti-KOS crowd who want to see more player interaction and less KOS. This will take away forcing you to KOS. At least give you a better basis into trusting somebody. Right now there are only 3 real choices in trying to avoid death. 1.) KOS 2.) Lone-wolfing 3.) Travel in a large group. My little device at least gives some viabilty to smaller groups. Especially those of the I just met you let's team up kind.

It's an under the hood stats tracker that affects a one on one encounter. Basically, a tiny hint. A sort of abstracted mannerism, body language device. The game right now is full of people who have found a way to access inaccessible things, should we shut the game down?

Come on guys, your arguments are mostly built on misunderstanding. Invalidate my argument. Make me change my mind like you did with the tents. The only reasonable argument, and weak, in my opinion, is that you can't lie to me like a world class poker player. Even in that argument you can still betray me. Just a little bit harder. The only player this hurts is the one who says that I should be totally gullible and believe every word he says, even a boldfaced lie. He wants to lie with impunity. I've already shown that that ability is way overpowered. In reality, I would also be making decisions to hang with you, based on body language and mannerisms, which are not displayed in a two dimensional game world. So all in all my idea affects only one small portion of gameplay.

One quick question. You do realize that that is showing only one person right? Not the whole community? You certainly can show a piece of paper in the forum. A text document? This system affects only me, as in, Can I trust you in order to play with you? No other.

You don't think people's egos aren't being fed now? I read all the time where players are keeping track on paper. In a game where that even isn't a goal. The only designed goal is: How long can I survive.

That's my idea and the point I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to make. The only reasonable gripe that I've read is the one saying that I want to flat out lie to you as if I was a world class poker player. And as I rebutted there is nothing in a two dimensional game that allows me to judge you by your mannerisms. There are good liars and there are very very bad ones. The game doesn't make that distinction. My system sought of mitigate's that a little. Overpowered, probably. But right now lying is pervasive and sets the stage for ONLY KOS (only for those who may not do it). All game design decisions are tradeoffs.

I like your responses too. My feelings are not hurt. So, does this mean my head isn't screwed on right? :D

I don't react to things done to me. I am a lone wolf player and avoid all contacts if I can. I have never joined up with anyone before. In my opinion people do stupid stuff. That stupid stuff can get me killed. This game is not a win or lose game. It is, how long do I survive. If I fail I want to fail on my own. I don't post things in a willy nilly way either. I read the forums. I listen to what other people are saying. Then I think to myself, how if possible can I mitigate their grievances. It is true people are liars. It is not true they are world class poker players. If not one single person agrees with me that's fine. I am really OK with that. All I'm doing is starting a discussion. I am not the dev with the power to implement any idea. I do like coming up with food for thought however. No feelings hurt here if no one agrees with me. It's all good.

Encounters in Dayz go down in three ways. All are perfectly valid. 1. Come on you filthy weak creatures. Where are you, you are so dead. My system doesn't change this one iota. 2. Oh shit. There's a player. Is he going to try to kill me? I'm not taking any chances, bang. My system doesn't change this one iota. 3. Oh shit. There's a player. Is he going to try to kill me? I'm gonna risk a meet. Hey you there, what's up, are you friendly? You are. OK. Then you join up hang around a little and bang to the back of your head. This is the encounter my system is meant for. New encounter: Oh shit. There's a player. Is he going to try to kill me? I'm gonna risk a meet. Hey you there, what's up, are you friendly? Oh, you are. Prove it show me your stats. Three responses: 1. refuse to show. I think your're a liar, turn around and head out or you're dead. 2. Show stats - lot of player kills. I just can't trust you, turn around and head out or you're dead. 3. Show stats - low player kills. Well at least it seems you are telling me the truth. Sure let's go. Possible outcome - trusted companions or bang you are dead, sorry this is Dayz. I'm hoping for a lot more of 3. At least basing trust on something reasonable. People make decisions based on a lot of input. Unfortunately data in a game is a little too much two dimensional. In reality people would make judgements of people in more ways than just speech. We don't just strike up a friendship based on what a person says. We look at his appearance. We look at his mannerisms. I'm trying to simulate a little more information. I'm not trying to reveal a person in any way shape or form. Encounters are purely optional. Revelations are purely optional. To me it is way way too easy to backstab someone. Even with my system backstabbing is possible. Stats are ambiguous - no real information. I don't ever want a system that outright identifies good or bad players like in the mod - bandit skins.

KOSers, have no fear. I am not trying to bring about a system whereby someone can tell what you are. It still stands the way it is. You don't even have to talk to someone if you don't want to. THE STATS ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY REVEALED - They are revealed if and only if you decide to. And non KOS people - This is a little more help in determining who you may possibly trust, no guarantee. An encounter like this goes down only if you want it to. Everyone has a choice.

This is where I believe my system would work. AND AGAIN - THESE STATS ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY REVEALED - they are revealed if and only if the player wants to reveal them.

Please guys understand. THESE STATS ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY REVEALED - the player himself must reveal them and then only if he wants to.

It is not making the game easier. In real life you would have other indicators to tell if someone was lying (body language). The stats are only revealed if you want them to be revealed. Please UNDERSTAND this one thing. It's not an automatic. The stats reveal nothing specific. Just that you killed so many people. Not the reason why. However, if you tell me you just kill in self defense and refuse to show me your stats, well that is revealing. In a game you don't get to see all the nuances of a person's reaction to a chance encounter. Right now all you see is bang - you are dead. REPEAT - the stats are not automatically revealed - REPEAT

We as players are basing our KOS (those inclined not to) on nefarious data. I'm just trying to have a little more data so those inclined not to KOS have a fighting chance of keeping their humanity. Now it's KOS based on the premise that everyone does it so I might as well too. Everyone does it (not actually the case as I don't do it) is not representative of a real situation. The Walking Dead portrays a more realistic representation of the apocalypse in my opinion.

They are only revealed if you want to reveal them. It's not revealed to everyone. So, arcadish, no. Not forced on everyone. Your choice. In real life you wouldn't know a person's name if they weren't willing to reveal it? So that system is no good. I'm trying to simulate (in a way) body language. Even the simple act of not revealing your stats is body language. This revelation is VOLUNTARY. It's not you get close and see someone's stats automatically.