Etherimp

Post #68 is the first where I responded "in general" to the KOS discussion. I did not respond directly to you or quote anything you said. I did not start an argument over KOS. I even said in that post that this thread was not a Pro/Anti KOS thread. The only thing you've criticized so far is "KOS Whiners", which are not my views. You're making an argument where there is none. I am not "giving up and putting my fingers in my ears"... I am avoiding an argument with you because your argument is fucking stupid and not worth my time. I have nothing to gain by arguing KOS with you. Maybe you should ask yourself why you're bothering to chide me into an argument that I don't want to have?

True dat. TLDR = Getting KOS'd is usually your own fault.

Touche'.. Play smart, and live longer. Don't bitch about KOS..

I swap back and forth all the time and have never had a problem with characters getting wiped.

So... Don't advise people to use a tool which will help their survival on 3rd person servers, where other people will be using the same tool? Sorry, but I'll advise people as I see fit. If you don't want to play on 3rd Person Servers, you do not have to, as Hardcore servers are now available. As soon as Dean removes 3rd Person Perspective completely, I'll happily update the OP.

I didn't argue any points you made about anything. Please show me the post where I directly quoted and responded to something you said in this thread about KOS? You took a post I made and picked it apart, insulted me and got argumentative. Fact is, I don't care how you play the game and I'm not a "KOS Whiner".. If you had read this thread you would know that. You cherry picked 1 post I made and completely ignored everything else I've stated in this thread. You're clearly looking for an argument and I'm not going to give you one.

Double post please delete.

I'm really not going to justify your post with a response aside from this: This is not the thread to argue KOS. I have not advocated one playstyle over another. Please read the entire thread before posting KOS non-sense in here. We get it, you want to KOS people.. Nobody is stopping you.

Playing DayZ like a shooter is like driving a Dumptruck to work. There are better shooters.

I like how people are arguing over the anatomy of zombies.. ...fucking forums. Devolving every issue into a pointless argument since 2001.

I don't think it should be headshot only.. I just think it should require a LOT of body shots, OR a single headshot.

You guys who see KOS as "PVP", are clearly missing the point. Holding someone up is PVP. Hiding behind a "PVP" argument is rather disingenuous, as is hiding behind the "I do it to increase my survival!" argument. In fact, out of the last 10 or 15 posts in this thread, one KOSer claims he's doing it for survival, while another states that it's "harder" and your lifespan is shorter. So which is it, boys? Is it easier because it ensures your survival, or is it more difficult because it decreases your survivability because you get in more gun fights? Also, most KOSing is not guys getting in legit gun fights.. In my experience, MOST KOSing is people shooting other people who weren't even aware of the other persons presence. PVP is what happens when 2 groups collide at Balota or NWAF, and both "groups" are well geared and know they are getting into a gun fight. PVP isn't when you come across a guy and shoot him in the back while he's looting a can of beans or playing inventory tetris. I am not going to lie and say I don't KOS from time to time. In fact I just had an experience where I saw a guy running around inside of a jail, and I tried to talk to him.. I clear the building and he seemingly disappeared. We had closed the door to the jail behind us, and cleared the building. As I was coming back to the front door, it opened and a guy came in with his gun drawn. I didn't bother talking. I unloaded my SKS on him. Was this KOS? Probably.. But I feel it was understandable and justified, as I was cornered. The difference is, I don't wave a big pro-KOS flag where I search people out to kill without ever interacting with them, and I feel like that's the kind of KOS some of you are advocating. On another note... This is not a pro/anti KOS thread, so it's starting to move off topic. I'm not here to debate the Pro's and Con's of KOS or advocate one style over another.. There are plenty of other threads to do that in. I'm here to explain to new players (and some older ones) WHY they are getting KOS'd and possibly how to avoid it in the future by altering their game play.. KoS, the person, if you would like to contribute to this thread, maybe you could tell people how they can avoid falling victim to someone like yourself? :)

This exactly.. It's not that killing people isn't fun. It's not that KOS players are bad or jerks. It's that they aren't making the most out of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but DayZ isn't a "shooter".

Ah! My apologies. Maybe I have this forum confused with another, where people would report posts to be stickied. My bad.

How would people suggest it be pinned, then?

http://www.twitch.tv/lirik/c/3481126

The current character I have on the 3PP public hive, has been alive for over a month and has taken the lives of well over 10 other players. To be honest, I've lost count. Most of them have been justified, and some have not. I have survived a gunshot wound where I went unconscious and my attacker wasn't wise enough to double tap me and finish me off... or remove all of my firearms/ammo and revive me. Either way.. I survived and still survive, on the same character, for OVER A MONTH... And I spend a lot of time at military bases, Elektro, Berezino, etc.. I've been all over the map and I do it generally on more populated servers. I've helped several people, and hurt a few as well. On the Experimental server, I haven't died once, and those servers are almost always heavily populated. I've also survived gunshot wounds there, and if it wasn't for a friend I made earlier that day in Berezino, I would have been dead.. He killed my attacker and saved my life. I am not espousing that anyone pick one play style over another. If people want to run to elektro as fresh spawns and PVP one another with baseball bats.. Or just run around the map all day looting stuff.. That's up to them. Personally I find those playstyles either boring or unrewarding and I believe DayZ has much more to offer as a game and form of entertainment. I'm suggesting people think outside of the box and stop blaming KOS or bandits for their deaths. I am suggesting that Bandits/KOSers stop labeling heroes as whining pussies and carebears. I am suggesting that people consider we're all somewhere in between and that while there's no "right" or "wrong" way to play the game as far as "morals" go.. There certainly are tactics that ANY player, hero or bandit, can employ which will help them make the most out of their time in the game. Human beings are not "good" or "evil".. Human beings have the capacity for both, equally. What you choose to show to others is your choice. The "rules of thumb" are just that.. Rules of thumb. If you want to completely disregard everything I said, feel free to do so. But next time you see that black "You are dead." screen, I want you to ask yourself if anything stated on my list could have been applied to that situation in order to avoid your death. I've learned these rules by seeing that "You are dead." screen many times. That's why I posted this.. To help others learn from my mistakes. Especially people who had no experience in the Mod.

First and foremost, I appreciate you giving my post a chance and I am glad you enjoyed it. To follow up a bit: No "good guy" overtone intended. Only posting my style/experience as a player. I played on a PVP Private Hive server in the Mod where I was a bandit with -350,000 humanity. I think whether you're a bandit or a hero or somewhere in between (as most people are), you should embrace the aspect of DayZ which makes it most unique: Player interaction. PVP in CS:Go or Battlefield takes nothing more than mechanical skills. Properly moving your mouse and keyboard in unison, and using your brain to outwit your opponent on the battlefield. Those are all valuable skills in any first person shooter, DayZ included... But DayZ has the added element of a single man/woman braving the elements and transversing the terrain to survive for as long as possible and make the most of his/her life. This takes a different kind of strategy, intelligence, and skill. If your only skill is putting bullets into bodies, then you're only experiencing a small fraction of what DayZ has to offer. You may be an Ace at firing your DMR from a hill... but is that really how you want to play this game? Just wracking up as high of a kill count as possible? (Not suggesting you do.. just posing some rhetorical food for thought.) It's possible to be a bandit and still interact with people.. In fact, I have a lot of respect for bandits who actually take advantage of the RP elements inherent to the game. Of course, nobody HAS to play that way.. If people wanna run around death matching, that's fine. But I think they're doing themselves and others around them a disservice by not observing the finer points of DayZ. Just ask yourself this.. What would you rather watch in a YouTube video? A montage of a guy shooting 20 people with a Mosin.... Or a rag-tag group of bandits holding up various different players, taking their valuables, then executing them (or not)? Maybe they set up an ambush for a vehicle.. Maybe they run into a hero and take survivors hostage to get the hero to sacrifice himself. However they go about it, the dialogue and drama that ensues is certainly more entertaining to me, personally, than watching some guy shoot randoms. Anyway, bottom line is, I am not suggesting that people play as a good guy or bad guy.. I'm saying, most of us are somewhere in between those two extremes. Hero and Bandit should be the bar(s) that we are attempting to live up to. Whichever way you want to go is up to you, but both are a far cry from "KOS spawn camper". It takes a lot of knowledge of the game, confidence in yourself, charisma, and BALLS, to walk up to someone you do not know and demand they submit to you in a game where ego is as big of a factor as anything else. To ask someone to leave themselves vulnerable and let you have your way with them takes more skill than holding down the trigger on your virtual M4 and spraying 30 rounds at anything that moves in front of you. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you're a hero or a bandit or a KOS kiddie, as long as you're enjoying yourself and having fun. I've tried most different play styles and personally, playing as an Arch Angel of sorts, is what does it for me. I enjoy settling scores. I feel it's the duty of the strong to protect the weak. You don't have to agree or play this way.. I just encourage you (and anyone else) to play in a way that makes the most out of what the game has to offer.

#2 is balanced with #12.. If you're a fresh spawn, you might as well try to loot it.. But usually a body found in the middle of a road isn't going to have much on it. I'm referring more to situations where you shoot and kill someone, and then run over to loot their body. Unless you're absolutely sure the area is reasonably clear, you should just leave it.. It also goes along with #1: Have everything you need. If I have a kitted M4, a Mosin, and all the clothing/med supplies/food/drink I could possibly need, I have no reason to be looting people I just killed. Most of their stuff is probably ruined anyway. There's not much in the game that's so incredibly rare you can't find it yourself. Obviously, rules are meant to be broken, and I will occasionally loot the body of someone I killed, but A LOT of times it's really just not worth the risk, especially in high population areas.

Then GTFO.. Nobody cares if you know how to read or not.

Pretty simple... A badly damaged "fresh" fruit is something that's been damaged, but is still fresh.. A rotten fruit that's pristine is a fruit that has been left out too long, but it's not been damaged. I don't see why that's so confusing.

Anywhere that you point a gun in someones face before they put one in yours. People are awfully friendly when they're looking down a barrel.

1000 can confirm.. At 1000 you mostly just hear static though.

It's a mixed bag.. It depends a lot upon where you are at and how you are dressed. I have a feeling most of the people complaining about being KOS'd are server hoppers and/or people who run around high pop areas in full military gear. I know from my perspective, I am much more likely to snipe a guy if he has a Hunting Backpack and an M4 in Elektro than I am to shoot a guy toting a Mosin or an SKS, wearing a Taloon. One guy looks like he's looking to kill people and he came to elektro for that specific purpose.. The other guy looks like he just spawned near Elektro and was lucky enough to find a weapon. Just as an example of my recent adventure on a character which is over a month old.. I was travelling from NEAF to Elektro to meet up with some friends.. My first encounter was spotting 2 guys on the roof of the industrial building in Solnichny Factory.. One of them was laying prone on the roof with an M4, looking out toward the coast. I didn't hesitate for a second to shoot this guy. He had a friend who was behind the wall when I shot the first guy.. Took a couple of shots at him and missed, and I believe he went inside and logged out. Second encounter was right after I shot this guy, a fresh spawn with a courier backpack and a construction hat ran up behind me.. I turned and told him to back off a bit. He complied. I explained to him that I just killed a spawn camper and where he could find the loot. He was nice and thankful and promptly ran down and looted the guy. Third encounter was in Three Valleys.. As I was running along I heard movement behind me, and turned my head to see a free spawn chasing me.. He kept repeating "SO YOU LIKE SHOOTING FRESH SPAWNS EH?!".. I told him to calm down and that I wasn't shooting fresh spawns.. Told him about the spawn camper I just killed in Solnichny. He asked if his body was still there, I said maybe, but that it had already been looted.. I asked him if he wanted any Rice, he said yes.. I dropped a bag of rice while I was running.. He stopped, I stopped. He said he believed me, he took the rice and I told him about another group of 2 geared guys who I saw coming down the coast.. Told him to watch out for them and to stick to the tree line. He thanked me and we both moved on. Then I went on towards Elektro, and came across a watering hole outside of Kamyshovo (just east of Kamy in the treeline).. 2 players were coming up the hill at me, I had my mosin out.. I panicked and pulled out my Revolver, and moved behind a tree.. The other guy moved behind a tree as well.. I told him I was friendly, and was just traveling to meet friends. He said he was friendly too and he was escorting his fresh spawn friend to meet up with some other friends in Berezino.. I told him I was lowering my weapon, and he said he lowered his.. we both moved out into the open and waved. Talked for a minute, then went about our business. Not much happens in Elektro, and I log in the next day, snipe a fully geared guy sitting on Memorial hill (The small hill just south of the Fire Station). I spot 2 medium geared guys go into the house across the street from the Western firestation, and my 2 friends go to engage them.. They were camping on the top floor, and opened fire on my friends as they approached. 1 of my friends shot and killed the first guy through the window,and both of them breached the building and pinned down the 2nd guy. They gave him a chance to surrender, and he refused, opening fire on them and injuring 1. They took him down. Later in the same session, we spotted 2 fresh spawns with guns near the pub, and we engaged them, talked to them, and sent them on their way.. ended up they were in the community TS. So, as you can see.. Mixed bag. Some friendly, some not..How we handled the situations was completely dependent upon how the other players acted and in some cases, looked.. I feel no sympathy shooting a fully geared player who's camping in a well known sniper spot, where as we will usually try to engage less geared people in conversation.