Etherimp

If you want a better sniping spot, move to your left and up the hill a little bit under the first spruce tree, and slightly infront of it. It's 400-500 meters to the firestation, 600 to the grocery store, 700 to the school, 800 to the hospital, 700 to the other fire station, 700 to memorial hill (the small hill on the other side of the fire station). You won't be able to snipe from there using a PU Scope though, as you'll need to reliably hit people at 400-800 meters out.

Your life expectancy is shorter, so that makes the game more difficult? That's your argument? Not very sound if you ask me. Also, because you don't enjoy handcuffing people and torturing them, that means KOS is the way to go? Again, not a very sound argument. There are a lot of gray areas. Was hesitating posting this within the thread, but here's an example of gray area. 1. We were prepared for combat. 2. We were looking for a player, as it was obvious the area was active 3. We were willing to talk, and tried talking to the person I saw. 4. I won't spoil the ending, but I'll say that I did what I felt I had to do in the moment. Was this heroic behavior? Was it KOS? Was it Bandit behavior? IMO, none of the above. Hence my original post: KOS/Bandit/Hero/Survivor/Friendly doesn't define any single person 100% of the time. (Skip to about 5 minutes in if you want just the meat of it.)

Probably combat logged, got killed, logged in fresh.

I pointed out that KOSers all have different reasons for KOSing, and that supported my original point that "Everyone makes their own justifications for what they do".. In other words: KOS is not the "better playstyle", just like being friendly isn't "the better playstyle". I have my own personal opinions on KOSing. Namely that people who KOS are not making the most out of the game.. But it's not a problem FOR ME if it's not a problem FOR YOU. If you want to shoot people on sight, you're only neglecting yourself of the potential drama that could unfold if you interacted with people instead. So see, I'm not ANTI-KOS for you.. I'm Anti-KOS for myself because I believe NOT KOSing is the more challenging way to play the game.. Which is the part of your original post that I had a problem with.. trying to advocate KOSing for the fact that it's "more challenging" is absolutely ridiculous, and I don't agree with YOU on THAT. Doesn't mean I don't think KOSing is "a valid playstyle", only that you KOSing "to make the game more challenging" is a bullshit reason to KOS. Lemme ask you this... ...Have you tried another playstyle yet? Have you tried being a hero? Or did you just jump into this game, start KOSing people, and therefor you support that playstyle because it's the only one you know? Or perhaps you tried to be friendly a couple of times, got killed, and then converted to a KOSer for your own "survival"? Either way, doesn't matter.. Whatever works for you. Just don't go around telling people that shooting everyone they see is "more difficult", because it's a pretty well accepted reality that it's simply not the case. Hence why your argument is "fucking stupid".. Nothing personal.

Post #68 is the first where I responded "in general" to the KOS discussion. I did not respond directly to you or quote anything you said. I did not start an argument over KOS. I even said in that post that this thread was not a Pro/Anti KOS thread. The only thing you've criticized so far is "KOS Whiners", which are not my views. You're making an argument where there is none. I am not "giving up and putting my fingers in my ears"... I am avoiding an argument with you because your argument is fucking stupid and not worth my time. I have nothing to gain by arguing KOS with you. Maybe you should ask yourself why you're bothering to chide me into an argument that I don't want to have?

True dat. TLDR = Getting KOS'd is usually your own fault.

Touche'.. Play smart, and live longer. Don't bitch about KOS..

I swap back and forth all the time and have never had a problem with characters getting wiped.

So... Don't advise people to use a tool which will help their survival on 3rd person servers, where other people will be using the same tool? Sorry, but I'll advise people as I see fit. If you don't want to play on 3rd Person Servers, you do not have to, as Hardcore servers are now available. As soon as Dean removes 3rd Person Perspective completely, I'll happily update the OP.

I didn't argue any points you made about anything. Please show me the post where I directly quoted and responded to something you said in this thread about KOS? You took a post I made and picked it apart, insulted me and got argumentative. Fact is, I don't care how you play the game and I'm not a "KOS Whiner".. If you had read this thread you would know that. You cherry picked 1 post I made and completely ignored everything else I've stated in this thread. You're clearly looking for an argument and I'm not going to give you one.

Double post please delete.

I'm really not going to justify your post with a response aside from this: This is not the thread to argue KOS. I have not advocated one playstyle over another. Please read the entire thread before posting KOS non-sense in here. We get it, you want to KOS people.. Nobody is stopping you.

Playing DayZ like a shooter is like driving a Dumptruck to work. There are better shooters.

I like how people are arguing over the anatomy of zombies.. ...fucking forums. Devolving every issue into a pointless argument since 2001.

I don't think it should be headshot only.. I just think it should require a LOT of body shots, OR a single headshot.

You guys who see KOS as "PVP", are clearly missing the point. Holding someone up is PVP. Hiding behind a "PVP" argument is rather disingenuous, as is hiding behind the "I do it to increase my survival!" argument. In fact, out of the last 10 or 15 posts in this thread, one KOSer claims he's doing it for survival, while another states that it's "harder" and your lifespan is shorter. So which is it, boys? Is it easier because it ensures your survival, or is it more difficult because it decreases your survivability because you get in more gun fights? Also, most KOSing is not guys getting in legit gun fights.. In my experience, MOST KOSing is people shooting other people who weren't even aware of the other persons presence. PVP is what happens when 2 groups collide at Balota or NWAF, and both "groups" are well geared and know they are getting into a gun fight. PVP isn't when you come across a guy and shoot him in the back while he's looting a can of beans or playing inventory tetris. I am not going to lie and say I don't KOS from time to time. In fact I just had an experience where I saw a guy running around inside of a jail, and I tried to talk to him.. I clear the building and he seemingly disappeared. We had closed the door to the jail behind us, and cleared the building. As I was coming back to the front door, it opened and a guy came in with his gun drawn. I didn't bother talking. I unloaded my SKS on him. Was this KOS? Probably.. But I feel it was understandable and justified, as I was cornered. The difference is, I don't wave a big pro-KOS flag where I search people out to kill without ever interacting with them, and I feel like that's the kind of KOS some of you are advocating. On another note... This is not a pro/anti KOS thread, so it's starting to move off topic. I'm not here to debate the Pro's and Con's of KOS or advocate one style over another.. There are plenty of other threads to do that in. I'm here to explain to new players (and some older ones) WHY they are getting KOS'd and possibly how to avoid it in the future by altering their game play.. KoS, the person, if you would like to contribute to this thread, maybe you could tell people how they can avoid falling victim to someone like yourself? :)

This exactly.. It's not that killing people isn't fun. It's not that KOS players are bad or jerks. It's that they aren't making the most out of the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but DayZ isn't a "shooter".

Ah! My apologies. Maybe I have this forum confused with another, where people would report posts to be stickied. My bad.

How would people suggest it be pinned, then?

http://www.twitch.tv/lirik/c/3481126

The current character I have on the 3PP public hive, has been alive for over a month and has taken the lives of well over 10 other players. To be honest, I've lost count. Most of them have been justified, and some have not. I have survived a gunshot wound where I went unconscious and my attacker wasn't wise enough to double tap me and finish me off... or remove all of my firearms/ammo and revive me. Either way.. I survived and still survive, on the same character, for OVER A MONTH... And I spend a lot of time at military bases, Elektro, Berezino, etc.. I've been all over the map and I do it generally on more populated servers. I've helped several people, and hurt a few as well. On the Experimental server, I haven't died once, and those servers are almost always heavily populated. I've also survived gunshot wounds there, and if it wasn't for a friend I made earlier that day in Berezino, I would have been dead.. He killed my attacker and saved my life. I am not espousing that anyone pick one play style over another. If people want to run to elektro as fresh spawns and PVP one another with baseball bats.. Or just run around the map all day looting stuff.. That's up to them. Personally I find those playstyles either boring or unrewarding and I believe DayZ has much more to offer as a game and form of entertainment. I'm suggesting people think outside of the box and stop blaming KOS or bandits for their deaths. I am suggesting that Bandits/KOSers stop labeling heroes as whining pussies and carebears. I am suggesting that people consider we're all somewhere in between and that while there's no "right" or "wrong" way to play the game as far as "morals" go.. There certainly are tactics that ANY player, hero or bandit, can employ which will help them make the most out of their time in the game. Human beings are not "good" or "evil".. Human beings have the capacity for both, equally. What you choose to show to others is your choice. The "rules of thumb" are just that.. Rules of thumb. If you want to completely disregard everything I said, feel free to do so. But next time you see that black "You are dead." screen, I want you to ask yourself if anything stated on my list could have been applied to that situation in order to avoid your death. I've learned these rules by seeing that "You are dead." screen many times. That's why I posted this.. To help others learn from my mistakes. Especially people who had no experience in the Mod.

First and foremost, I appreciate you giving my post a chance and I am glad you enjoyed it. To follow up a bit: No "good guy" overtone intended. Only posting my style/experience as a player. I played on a PVP Private Hive server in the Mod where I was a bandit with -350,000 humanity. I think whether you're a bandit or a hero or somewhere in between (as most people are), you should embrace the aspect of DayZ which makes it most unique: Player interaction. PVP in CS:Go or Battlefield takes nothing more than mechanical skills. Properly moving your mouse and keyboard in unison, and using your brain to outwit your opponent on the battlefield. Those are all valuable skills in any first person shooter, DayZ included... But DayZ has the added element of a single man/woman braving the elements and transversing the terrain to survive for as long as possible and make the most of his/her life. This takes a different kind of strategy, intelligence, and skill. If your only skill is putting bullets into bodies, then you're only experiencing a small fraction of what DayZ has to offer. You may be an Ace at firing your DMR from a hill... but is that really how you want to play this game? Just wracking up as high of a kill count as possible? (Not suggesting you do.. just posing some rhetorical food for thought.) It's possible to be a bandit and still interact with people.. In fact, I have a lot of respect for bandits who actually take advantage of the RP elements inherent to the game. Of course, nobody HAS to play that way.. If people wanna run around death matching, that's fine. But I think they're doing themselves and others around them a disservice by not observing the finer points of DayZ. Just ask yourself this.. What would you rather watch in a YouTube video? A montage of a guy shooting 20 people with a Mosin.... Or a rag-tag group of bandits holding up various different players, taking their valuables, then executing them (or not)? Maybe they set up an ambush for a vehicle.. Maybe they run into a hero and take survivors hostage to get the hero to sacrifice himself. However they go about it, the dialogue and drama that ensues is certainly more entertaining to me, personally, than watching some guy shoot randoms. Anyway, bottom line is, I am not suggesting that people play as a good guy or bad guy.. I'm saying, most of us are somewhere in between those two extremes. Hero and Bandit should be the bar(s) that we are attempting to live up to. Whichever way you want to go is up to you, but both are a far cry from "KOS spawn camper". It takes a lot of knowledge of the game, confidence in yourself, charisma, and BALLS, to walk up to someone you do not know and demand they submit to you in a game where ego is as big of a factor as anything else. To ask someone to leave themselves vulnerable and let you have your way with them takes more skill than holding down the trigger on your virtual M4 and spraying 30 rounds at anything that moves in front of you. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether you're a hero or a bandit or a KOS kiddie, as long as you're enjoying yourself and having fun. I've tried most different play styles and personally, playing as an Arch Angel of sorts, is what does it for me. I enjoy settling scores. I feel it's the duty of the strong to protect the weak. You don't have to agree or play this way.. I just encourage you (and anyone else) to play in a way that makes the most out of what the game has to offer.

#2 is balanced with #12.. If you're a fresh spawn, you might as well try to loot it.. But usually a body found in the middle of a road isn't going to have much on it. I'm referring more to situations where you shoot and kill someone, and then run over to loot their body. Unless you're absolutely sure the area is reasonably clear, you should just leave it.. It also goes along with #1: Have everything you need. If I have a kitted M4, a Mosin, and all the clothing/med supplies/food/drink I could possibly need, I have no reason to be looting people I just killed. Most of their stuff is probably ruined anyway. There's not much in the game that's so incredibly rare you can't find it yourself. Obviously, rules are meant to be broken, and I will occasionally loot the body of someone I killed, but A LOT of times it's really just not worth the risk, especially in high population areas.

Then GTFO.. Nobody cares if you know how to read or not.