Ken Bean

I tried yesterday to explain a mate that some have an agenda to remove the 3rd person from DayZ. He made a face if I would have said: They now are trying to play bowling without bowling ball. He litterally said? "Whaaa?? What kind of...." don't want to finish the setence here. ^^ But besides of that, greetings. I'm sure she also has something intelligent to say that you could share.

Would be cool if sth new would be invented, but besides of 1st person or 3rd, there is no other solution. All what's discussed here from the 1st person advocates was to break or limiting the 3rd person. Yeah, limits also can be interristing to some people. A game wont be able to exceed reality in regards of freedom. In a ches game a pawn only can move forward. That's a limited ability based on a given rule set. That's what 1st person advocates are doing: trying to force everyone into their limited rule set. Hence they make loads of arguments why 3rd person would be broken, wrong or whatever. That's not the case, 3rd person just doesn't fit into their desired rule set. That's all. And keeping this in mind, this discussion is in its core about tastes and argueing tastes indeed is pointless and leads to grinding each other. You can deny it as you wish, but that's how it all boils down. This has nothing to do with the "bad people", it's the topic itself.

Nope, the majority just plays the game and enjoys it in 1st and 3rd person.

Depends, they not only have to shoot, they also do recon. Sure there are enough zeds. has nothing to do with it. I meant in your journal, the zed count. Because you assumed I would avoid zeds. Have you ever lived long enough to tell how accurate the zed count is? to the edit: see above

-hence the cover -depends on circumstances, there is no artillery in chernarus -yeah, movements are bad, everywhere. known fact, but that'ts why snyper don't move that often I'm no sniper, nor did I ever sit on a roof to snipe in the game Well, interesting how you think I would play. ^^ What do you think how correct is the "dead zed count" in the mod? :lol:

Not sure if this is a placeholder, but please add better ground textures, since they are strikingly different from the rest of the game.

Also each house types exactly looks the same. How many different house types with acessible roofs exist in chernarus? Don't you see the problem? You know that there's no chimney on house type 2, fine. Nothing like this will happen in real life. If someone masks himself as being a chimney - it's just an example how real life snipers use to cover themselfes in a city - you wont ever recognise it in a city like Praque. Or do you want to tell me that you know every chimney on every roof in Praque? See how pointless your argumentation is? You are trying to crawl into the limitations of a game as being a save heaven.

Asymetric pvp, that's what the reality of war today is. But to help you on the way: It's a game. As it is a game, you have limited abilities to interact with your environment. And because you are limited in enteracting with the environment, you cant really cover yourself. No, there is no way to mask your self as being a chimney. That's what I mean wit: This game gives you a limited experience and it's not even close to reality. So you have to do some compromises, call it metaphor if you want, to counter that horrible amputation a game does by nature. I fail to see how someone can't understand that. It's reasonable, it's plain clear language I hope. Your problem seems to be that you are thinking in the limiting limits of the game? "How's that someone can cover?" you ask. Well, plenty abilities, just not available ingame. Two sides, everyone who spots another one can be spottet within the same rule set. There's nothing unfair, theres's no exploit, same rules aplly to all. We just have another additional vector. In fact making pvp more complex. That's why I suggested to have seperated hives several times. Balance problem is fixed, since we now have two seperated rule sets - simply devided by a server setting "1st person fixed" and another hive. That's not a too complicated thing. Works and already can be implemented by ease.

Oh, thank you, but no, you are trying to break it. It's just realistic. It's called cover, not magic. Cover is not bad pvp, it's part of a more difficult pvp. Snipers hiding on the roof... who ever heard about that. :o Hope youu get the sarcasm. There already are buttons, just hit the right one. It's a list, highlight 1st person server, press "join". Yes of cause, everything Because it's not broken. 3rd person is not resposible that 1st person lover cant hit the right buttons in the server browser. Maybe aiming is wrong? Sure

Well the reason why I didn't went into your pointless arguments like "Get a friend to do survival stuff with you, watch him?" is, that I already have friends I could watch. I can repeat it again, if you isnist in, but the point of the 3rd person view is to see your own character. I made that important part bold and underlined. The other points has been addressed a dozen times as well. Should I repeat all or are you interested in certain points. Your's have been disassembled various times and we got to the conclusion that it is just a matter of taste. The only relevant points remaining are: 1. matter of tastes (enjoyment) 2. that combat thing, what you 1st person advocates are most concerned about -> relevant for you, because of point 1. 3. that 1st person advocates somehow constantly join the wrong server, therefore not getting 1st person server full. And full server is what they want. (That's why they join the wrong server in the very first place.)

Does it improve your framerates if you switch from 3rd person to 1st? Not much, I guess. On modern graphic carts one reasonable optimized model more or less doesn't impact that much. Also, unlike games like Skyrim or the modern Fallout games, the 1st person view has a body model in DayZ as well. But Zombie Jesus is right, I also have the impression, you are slightly distracting the discussion, by picking certain side points like enjoyment or whatever. We made other way more relevant points, which ... get ignored.

Yeah, we also enjoy horror games or films. It's entertaining. No reason to rant against enjoyment. And tommes said something like "enjoyment is for the weak" between the lines. Well yeah, he clearly is mistaking something. (not the thirst time btw)

I think you are mistaking something. Games are meant to be played for enjoyment - or it's not a game. To understand this, one has to know what a game and enjoyment defines. Repetetive actions against your enjoyment are not exactly a game. (And if you are sm, the enjoyment may come from pain, but it's still enjoyment.) At least I appreciate your straight answer on that. You are denying the core problem: ->You play on the wrong server ->Map is too big for pvp focused folks ->Smaller maps like in battlefield or counter strike give a more intense pvp experience, this has nothing to do with 1st person or 3rd person ->Who is easier to be changed? You or millions of other player? Oh, and I don't have another account. Cheap try. :rolleyes:

It's still the same thread, just with another loop. Intention is the same. If you cant't ban orange juce, try to make orange taste like strawberry.

Okay, here's a solution: Since 1st person server are less populated and since 1st person player aim for pvp - not survival -, make the mapsize for 1st person locked server smaller. Smaller map = more pvp = happy 1st person only player

I really don't get why you don't just play counterstrike or battlefield. Even though, one of my most intense fights was as we played in Battlefield Bad Company 2 against 2. I'm slowly getting annoyed from the fact that some just always seems to know how a game has to be played and how not. <_< As said, if you think the map is too big for you, consider this: http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/161252-suggestion-keep-em-separated/?p=1622667 And alow me to, it really sounds like the map is too big for you. Don't get me wrong, a smaller map would provide you more action. I absolutely am conviced that you are playing the wrong game, especially tommes. That's the root of your pvp problems: map size versus player count. I know, you'll deny it, because you may believe "map size makes you hardcore". But there's the other voice in your mind: pvp. One doesn't need to be a genius do know when the maps are too big and the player count per area is too low, then you pvp folks is just annoyed.

Jep, the server browser definately needs more and better information. Also server time day/night. Or we just should seperate them into two categories, like 1st person / 3rd person, and then not showing any player numbers.

Funny thing is, that PvP folks is so PvP fixed that as they start a game, only server population counts. *** PvP player looks into server browser --> doesn't find any populated 1st person only server --> looks at populated ones --> joins 3rd person enabled server --> ... this repeats 400 times ... as a result, they don't get one bloody server full --> and PvP player starts complaining *** Maybe we should fix that 1st person only server or the server browser a bit, since the 1st person advocates seems to be a bit difficult to be enthused on empty server. How about bots which *trick* them to joyn a 1st person sever, so they thinks it's a full one? We obviously need to cater them full server.

Tommes, particularly DayZ would get boring, just like other bacillion 1st person titles. We don't need yet another one.

Cool idea, I would gladly do it, if my viewpoint would be unaffected by your fixing attemps of something what is not broken. Besides of that, I really doubt that this "go way if your opinion differs from ours" will work aut well. In this case, why did you even start a diskussion, if questioning is not allowed? And I know, you didn't say that you want to remove 3rd person in this particular topic headline. You did that in those other threads before though. Now this obviously was not loved, so you try to break the 3rd person in order to push your 1st person only agenda. Now thing is, I'm not happy with this solutions posted either, because as said, you effectively try to break 3rd person.

It's not the same. See, that's why it's a good thing to seperate the hives. I always read that you 1st person advocates play on 3rd person server as well. The time being you are not on a 1st person server, which leads to lower 1st person server populations. One reason you folks jumpt to 3rd person is that you can take your character with you. 3rd person is not less immersive. In fact it's not much different from 1st person view. You make up a big difference as you wish, but since 3rd person feels more right, it's even more immersive to me than 1st. One thing you need to understand is, that this is nothing but a personel preference. Yeah, would be a nice addition to the 3rd person view, but it doesn't substitute it. How about binding the 1st person perspective to the main menu only? ... You probably get the idea. And again, 1st person view is limited. It is not realistic. In real life we have a way better perception of ourself and our souroundings. Please accept that the 3rd person view is needed to implement sth like a "self awareness" into the game while moving around and doing survival stuff. DayZ is not only a shooter, it also is a survival game/experience. So in order to experience the survival part, you need to transport this somehow to the player. And this is perfectly done by watching your character doing survival stuff, getting a better idea of what's happening with you. If I'm playing in 1st person only mode it feels just wrong in very different ways. It's not only that the self awarenes in the game world is being disturbed, it also lacks the most part of the survival and roleplay experience. 1st person is not: - more realistic - more immersive and the only explanation I can see as valid point is the combat argument, you guys bring up. You want to have a pvp game more fitting your personel 1st person preference with less "unknown variables". That's what you want. And yet you are complaining because there are too few player on the 1st person server. Tell me: how does few player on a server disturbs your survival experience? Well, it doen't. I figure you don't care that much. --> You are looking for PvP and with a full server it's easier to PvP. You really should think about what you are doing with your agenda here. It's like fucking up the game for loads of player just out of pure selfishness.

Beans for the feels awful part. I also can't describe it better, it just feels wrong. I absolutely dislike the idea to spent the whole ingame life in 1st person mode. Strange that the topic is about "fixing 3rd person", which is an absolutely flawless working game feature. ^^

Calling DayZ player casual... Well, if you folks like arma so much, then I won't hold ya. ;-) That's another topic and another game, I couln't care less. If they like it, why not? It's not a proof that the world is wrong or sth. I'm not the one to judge them for that. That's why we have a plenty of different games for everyones tastes. There even are 1st person locked server. ;)

Yeah, I'm not interested in 1st person server everywhere or a "fixed" viewpoint, that's right. Finally happy that I got the point across. And now the other news: I'm not the only one. There are way more player who don't want your 1st person server or "fixes" and who love the 3rd person as it is. They actually play on 3rd person server and don't create dozen topics that demand to change or remove 1st person server. Would be nice if you consider this in your 3d animations. No clue what you mean with "true colors". It's all about preferences. -> You don't like 3rd person view, I got it. -> I like 3rd person, you don't want to tolerate it. If that's the "true colors", then... be it. Your attemps to "proof" that folks which likes 3rd person is wrong and are a bit funny. It really is a very specific subject what most people don't even dare to care.

There is no issue since for those few who are interested in 1st person locked server, such server exists. It's not like you wouldn't already have what you want. And you don't need to make 3D animations or "fixes", I know what I want and I'm absolutely not interested in your ideas. I just want to life in freedom with my 3rd person. Do you think, you could contrive it?